I've always known Star Ocean was never a big franchise.

[Shadowblind]

Euphoria14 said:

Shadowblind said:

Euphoria14 said:

Shadowblind said:

Euphoria14 said:

 

 

Show me an exclusive PS3 JRPG first.

Not a SRPG.

Well now we have a problem. When does WKC come out in the US?

P.S. I dont really know if Folklore is a JRPG or not, but it sold 200k. Judging from its release date and name though, I'd guess it is.

 

What I am saying here is that facts already show that even with a smaller install base the PS3 already sells better in terms of SJRPGs than the XBox360 so why do people assume it won't be the case with JRPGs? Going by the same userbase argument it can be said that PS3 SJRPG in the US sell almost on par with US JRPG sales on the 360 outside of a title like Lost Odyssey, which was also the 360's first big JRPG, just as WKC will be. So why will do people think it won't sell too?

As I said before, WKC will have to sell 100k lifetime in the US and 30k in it's first week in order for me to be proven wrong.

 

This is a HUGE double standard by so many in this thread.

Sorry Euphoria, but what the hell are you talking about? If we want to compare user bases here, should the 360 have the same base in Japan as the PS3 then by this same skewed logic SO4 would have sold 3 times as much, putting it up there with around 500k for its FIRST week. The PS3 userbase is  GREATER THEN 3 times larger then the 360s, not 2 times larger.

At the same time I don't understand where you are coming from with the notion that the PS3 does sell JRPGs better WW then the 360(I know your not talking about Japan. You said smaller userbase, unless it was worded wrong.) I'm sure I'm not understanding this part right, because your not usually one to say things that are just absolutely wrong. If your talking about Valkyria Chronicles, it sold even LESS in the US then even tales of vesperia, a niche anime-inspired JRPG in a land and on a userbase that doesn't even buy many JRPGs in general. If you want proof of how niche Tales games are in the US, just look at its past games, Symphonia nonwithstanding.

Frankly your entire post didn't make much coherent sense to me. I may be reading it wrong, but it just seemed like a bunch of contradictory remarks...just reword it is all I'm asking. Because right now, your not making much sense here....

 

You all clearly do not understand what I am trying to say.I only brought up the Userbase argument because it was used heavily by 360 fans in the WKC Japan sales thread.

I am just giving a reason for why WKC can and most likely will sell well on the PS3.

I am getting attacked for it yet nobody has even given anywhere near a valid counterpoint as to why it won't.

Until then I can't be wrong.

What I am saying is why won't WKC sell great at launch seeing as how it is the PS3's first BIG exlusive JRPG meanwhile Lost Odyssey could? Mind you 360's weren't originally purchased for JRPGs back then, like how many claim PS3's were.

I know Lost Odyssey sold well because it was the first one not only this gen but the first on 360. It is actually the reason I picked up my 360 in February 2008.

 

People can come at me all they want, I am still yet to hear a valid counterpoint to prove my opinion wrong.

 

SO4 is also a flagship title by the way, WKC is a new IP, that is why I am comparing it to Lost Odyssey.

If new IP sells better on PS3 than new IP on 360 I am sure established franchise on PS3 would sell better than established franchise on 360.

Lost Odyssey on the 360 sold 56k in it's first week, even with your argument it still sells less than the first week sales of a new IP White Knight Chronicles if you triple it's sales.

Now do you understand?

 

New IP vs New IP.

 

 

 Your right damn straight I don't, your entire last post was a mess.

If we are arguing whether or not WKC can sell well on PS3 in US and Europe, then you can neither prove nor can we disprove anything. Frankly, based on your past posts I had no idea thats what we were arguing about here. So theres nothing we can say except "I think, I guess, I would presume, I believe" on this topic.

This New IP vs. New IP wouldn't mean jack to whether or not established franchises sell better then new IPs on PS3. Even if WKC sells 5 billion copies first day it doesn't mean a new Tales game or SO game on PS3 would even break 5k first day. Haven't the sales of Vesperia taught you anything? 

Though you are talking about Japan, right? Again, based on your last post I couldn't have known that. What I don't think you do understand is that in Japan, the market is too small based on the existing userbase to truly get a huge amount. 400k LTD may be huge for japan, but if it means barely passing 100k in other territories on a machine that is known for needing larger budgets for games that doesn't do much good profit wise now does it? 

Don't even bring SO4 into this argument. Its been out for one week and hasn't even been released in Other territories yet. Frankly this entire thread shouldn't be here for 5 more weeks.