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Max King of the Wild said:
Barozi said:
Everybody who thinks SO4 had a possibility to surpass SO3 sales should just go home.
SO4 did not flop, but it hasn't sold great either. However it's on a good way to be one of the best selling JRPG's of this gen. Maybe some disillusionated fanboys didn't notice that JRPGs on ALL console platforms are selling much worse than last generation.

Now to those people who scream "oooh SE you fail !!!".
They released the game on the 360 for a reason. They knew it would not sell that many copies in Japan, but they surely received a bunch of money from Microsoft. Besides that the game engine was practically paid by MS. Never forget, MS published Infinite Undiscovery together with Square Enix.

and finally just LOOOOL to that guy who thinks SO4 failed quality wise. It has about the same aggregate score as the previous Star Ocean games.

so3 sold about 2 million units. so4 doesnt look like it will see more than lo but ill still say 1mil (im being generous since lo is still 90k away from that ) se is losing about 1million in sales. unless ms paid 25million(which again being generous since devs get about 27 dollars per copy) it was a bad business decision. i say no more than 15million(which again is being generous considering the gsme probably didnt cost that much) .

Assumption. Now what if MS paid the whole developement costs for Infinite Undiscovery ???

MS surely made a loss no matter if they paid for SO4 exclusivity (which is likely) or Infinite Undiscovery.

 



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Euphoria14 said:
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:
jpain333 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
jpain333 said:
if I could get a dollar for everytime I read something negative about 360 jrpg's by sony fanboys.....

can't we at least wait a couple more weeks before we start judging the games sales?? I mean damn lets see how the legs are in N.America first...

if i had a nickle everytime starcraft said something negative about k2 id be richer than you

nice try.....

if you think that killzone 2 thread was worse than all the negative talk about 360 jrpgs...then I don't know what to tell you...

You do realize the only reason people get on them like that is because originally it was the 360 fans who said the PS3 couldn't sell JRPGs. Now that they are continuosly getting proven wrong it has reverted to damage control.

In WKC case, right off the bat sales were shot down with arguments like "install base", yet when I made my comparison above it seems that the argument no matter matters in this case. They can't have it both ways.

@Shadowblind

About TLR.

Check this from this very same thread. I guess you chose to ignore this huh?

Hero_time88 said:
http://www.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/news/20090216_01en.pdf

 

TLR = 490k shipped at the end of 2008?

 

So according to VGChartz, considering it released WW on Nov. 20th, that would imply by the end of 2008 it sold between 436k-484k. So it pretty much almost completely sold out WW and only had between 6k-54k copies remaining on store shelves Worldwide. Then after that it went on to sell almost 30% more copies?

I hope they have fun trying to prove that.

If not, I would say the game is obviously overtracked.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware that we are still living in 2008. At the same time I suppose I should have ignored this post in the first place as well, as you seem to have ignored my response, albeit a short one, to Max. Though I would like you to point me to all these great selling PS3 JRPGs while your at it.

 

Show me an exclusive PS3 JRPG first.

Not a SRPG.

Well now we have a problem. When does WKC come out in the US?

P.S. I dont really know if Folklore is a JRPG or not, but it sold 200k. Judging from its release date and name though, I'd guess it is.

 

What I am saying here is that facts already show that even with a smaller install base the PS3 already sells better in terms of SJRPGs than the XBox360 so why do people assume it won't be the case with JRPGs? Going by the same userbase argument it can be said that PS3 SJRPG in the US sell almost on par with US JRPG sales on the 360 outside of a title like Lost Odyssey, which was also the 360's first big JRPG, just as WKC will be. So why will do people think it won't sell too?

As I said before, WKC will have to sell 100k lifetime in the US and 30k in it's first week in order for me to be proven wrong.

 

This is a HUGE double standard by so many in this thread.


Sorry Euphoria, but what the hell are you talking about? If we want to compare user bases here, should the 360 have the same base in Japan as the PS3 then by this same skewed logic SO4 would have sold 3 times as much, putting it up there with around 500k for its FIRST week. The PS3 userbase is  GREATER THEN 3 times larger then the 360s, not 2 times larger.

At the same time I don't understand where you are coming from with the notion that the PS3 does sell JRPGs better WW then the 360(I know your not talking about Japan. You said smaller userbase, unless it was worded wrong.) I'm sure I'm not understanding this part right, because your not usually one to say things that are just absolutely wrong. If your talking about Valkyria Chronicles, it sold even LESS in the US then even tales of vesperia, a niche anime-inspired JRPG in a land and on a userbase that doesn't even buy many JRPGs in general. If you want proof of how niche Tales games are in the US, just look at its past games, Symphonia nonwithstanding.


Frankly your entire post didn't make much coherent sense to me. I may be reading it wrong, but it just seemed like a bunch of contradictory remarks...just reword it is all I'm asking. Because right now, your not making much sense here....



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KillerMan said:
I find it funny how people say that PS3 doesn't either sell JRPG's when it has only one big budged JRPG and that is released so far only in Japan.

I don't see this as a good sign.  If this is true, why would a JRPG fan buy a PS3, so they can watch BluRay movies?

 



^ hes talking about chris hu. chris hu was saying so did better than yakuza because of the install base. euphoria is trying to show him how silly that is it . wasnt suppose to make sense.



Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
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Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
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jpain333 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

 

 

 

Read what I wrote to Shadowblind. You show me an exclusive JRPG released on the PS3.

You have nothing on me pal. Keep trying. I am bringing up fact, you have brought up nothing yet.

 

You have nothing but your hopes. Basically, you act as if some major PS3 exclusive jRPG has already got released and turned into a major success. But guess what? Nothing like this has happened.

   But then again, isnt "Believe" a key word for PS fanboys? keep believing them, but dont pretend like you know for a fact that PS3 seels jRPGs better if you have nothing buy your hopes to prove it.

 

 

Whatever bro. I am hitting you with numbers, you know, FACTS!

You are coming back with empty words.

So the first JRPG for the 360 can sell big but the first JRPG for the PS3 can't?

Talk about your double standards pal.

Who is more credible here?

Come back when you have a real argument.

Like I said before, if exclusive SJRPG already sell better on the PS3 what makes you assume that exclusive JRPG's won't sell good either? Try answering that one. I am at least giving a valid argument, you're not giving a valid counter point.

You're toast.

   What facts? The only thing I see from you is your assumption and hopes that some "PS3 exclusive jRPG" will appear and sell better than jRPGs on 360. Nothing more. No attempts for a discussion. No facts.

   You're a tool.

 

 

First of all, reported. No need to go into personal insults. That just makes me look even better.

Second of all, once again you did not even provide a valid counter argument for why my assumption could be wrong.

Until you do that your words mean nothing. You can not say my opinion is wrong if you do not counter it at least and give reasons why it wouln't sell well.

This is what you are failing to understand. You are completely missing the point.

I brought up SJRPG sales to help my opinion and they are, which many here will agree is a much more niche genre than JRPG. Please tell me why JRPG won't sell as well? Especially the PS3's first exclusive JRPG, which also happened to blow past expectations in Japan. Not just first week sales either, it past 2nd week expectations as well.

 



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bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.




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Undying said:
bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.


or k2 1.2million lt and lbp 300k lt



Max King of the Wild said:
^ hes talking about chris hu. chris hu was saying so did better than yakuza because of the install base. euphoria is trying to show him how silly that is it . wasnt suppose to make sense.

Guess what if you knew basic math you would know that I have a valid arguement.

 



Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:

 

Show me an exclusive PS3 JRPG first.

Not a SRPG.

Well now we have a problem. When does WKC come out in the US?

P.S. I dont really know if Folklore is a JRPG or not, but it sold 200k. Judging from its release date and name though, I'd guess it is.

 

What I am saying here is that facts already show that even with a smaller install base the PS3 already sells better in terms of SJRPGs than the XBox360 so why do people assume it won't be the case with JRPGs? Going by the same userbase argument it can be said that PS3 SJRPG in the US sell almost on par with US JRPG sales on the 360 outside of a title like Lost Odyssey, which was also the 360's first big JRPG, just as WKC will be. So why will do people think it won't sell too?

As I said before, WKC will have to sell 100k lifetime in the US and 30k in it's first week in order for me to be proven wrong.

 

This is a HUGE double standard by so many in this thread.


Sorry Euphoria, but what the hell are you talking about? If we want to compare user bases here, should the 360 have the same base in Japan as the PS3 then by this same skewed logic SO4 would have sold 3 times as much, putting it up there with around 500k for its FIRST week. The PS3 userbase is  GREATER THEN 3 times larger then the 360s, not 2 times larger.

At the same time I don't understand where you are coming from with the notion that the PS3 does sell JRPGs better WW then the 360(I know your not talking about Japan. You said smaller userbase, unless it was worded wrong.) I'm sure I'm not understanding this part right, because your not usually one to say things that are just absolutely wrong. If your talking about Valkyria Chronicles, it sold even LESS in the US then even tales of vesperia, a niche anime-inspired JRPG in a land and on a userbase that doesn't even buy many JRPGs in general. If you want proof of how niche Tales games are in the US, just look at its past games, Symphonia nonwithstanding.


Frankly your entire post didn't make much coherent sense to me. I may be reading it wrong, but it just seemed like a bunch of contradictory remarks...just reword it is all I'm asking. Because right now, your not making much sense here....

 

You all clearly do not understand what I am trying to say.I only brought up the Userbase argument because it was used heavily by 360 fans in the WKC Japan sales thread.

I am just giving a reason for why WKC can and most likely will sell well on the PS3.

I am getting attacked for it yet nobody has even given anywhere near a valid counterpoint as to why it won't.

Until then I can't be wrong.

What I am saying is why won't WKC sell great at launch seeing as how it is the PS3's first BIG exlusive JRPG meanwhile Lost Odyssey could? Mind you 360's weren't originally purchased for JRPGs back then, like how many claim PS3's were.

I know Lost Odyssey sold well because it was the first one not only this gen but the first on 360. It is actually the reason I picked up my 360 in February 2008.

 

People can come at me all they want, I am still yet to hear a valid counterpoint to prove my opinion wrong.

 

SO4 is also a flagship title by the way, WKC is a new IP, that is why I am comparing it to Lost Odyssey.

If new IP sells better on PS3 than new IP on 360 I am sure established franchise on PS3 would sell better than established franchise on 360.

Lost Odyssey on the 360 sold 56k in it's first week, even with your argument it still sells less than the first week sales of a new IP White Knight Chronicles if you triple it's sales.

Now do you understand?

 

New IP vs New IP.

If you want to argue TLR or IU, those were not first exclusive JRPG titles with new IP's. Those were not only labeled with S-E on the box but also came during a price cut, bundles and between LO, BD and Tales, the 360 had already built a decent JRPG fanbase in Japan.

 

I am not trying to say 360 JRPG sales suck by the way, I am just saying there is no valid argument as to why WKC can't do Lost Odyssey numbers.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Max King of the Wild said:
Undying said:
bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.


or k2 1.2million lt and lbp 300k lt

 

KZ2 has yet to pass 1 million, and there was no way LBP should have sold as much as it did. I did not take into account how starved for games PS3 owners were.




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