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kn on 29 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
rocketpig said:
Killzone3 said:
no 1080p

What a joke, whats the point of it ?

Pay 2/3k for a giant tv then get some cheap ass player, makes no sense.

Way to carry the torch for those one percenters who rock 1080p HDTVs, Killzone. Martin Luther King would be proud of your devotion to their cause.


Every tv hitting stores now 1080p now, its the new standart.


Uh, actually, No.  Try again.  Walmart, for instance, has 15 LCD sets 37" or above.  5 are 1080p.  That's 1/3.  Further there are 6 screens in this size range under $1000.  ZERO are 1080P capable.  Guess where Joe Sixpack shops?  Guess what he's likely going to buy?  (hint: Not the expensive one)

I'd agree that Christmas 2008 will see the majority of sets 1080p capable but not this year by any stretch.  I'd also add that 1080P is a relatively new phenomenon.  It has really only been widely available this year at a fair price point.  Guess what that means? A whole heap of HD sets have been sold over the last handful of years and no reasonable priced sets 1080P sets were available until recently...

You can wish it all you want but that doesn't make it so.  I've got plenty of disposable income and I'm still waiting for prices to come down a bit.  At this point I'm looking at a 37" or 42" LCD and will be buying 720P since they have dropped like a rock in price.  Best wishes in the crow eating thread.  :)



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shams on 29 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
shams said:

I think its time to face the facts - both formats are here to stay.

I actually have my money on HD-DVD (slightly) dominating in the long term.

...

IMO, this highlights Sony's strategy (including a BluRay drive in the PS3) as even more wrong. I don't see any compelling argument that its necessary for games. It delayed the launch of the device by 6 months. It pushes the price up, making PS3s less affordable.

You'll see cheap hybrid players out within 12 months. This means that most companies will gravitate towards the cheaper manufacturing process - which is HD-DVD.

I also think that HD-DVD owners will end up with a higher attach rate than BluRay owners - and the PS3 is only going to this equation a lot worse. Include PS3 owners - and the attach rate is worse. Exclude them - and there aren't enough drives on the market to warrant a release.

...

If I could get a HD-DVD player PLUS transformers for $199(AU) - I would be sold. My TV still looks great, and does 1080i - which is all I care about.

 


I know your always anti sony but come back to reality. A Hybrid palyer costs $800, they sure as hell wont be "affordable" with in 12 months. Where will they get this huge cost cutting from ?

Face the fact, what your opinion is a fact now.

 

Tell me, what do YOU think internally the differences between a BluRay & HD-DVD player are?

A stand-alone BluRay player is what... $399? It might share $100 of components with a HD-DVD player (i.e. digital processing, frame buffer creation, RAMDAC, output circuitry, case, front display, physical disc mechanism) - probably a lot more than $100.

So what makes YOU think that if you put a $199 + $399 piece of equipment together - that share $100 (or more) of components - you get $799?

Sorry - but I think you are typing without actually thinking about what you are typing. Existing prices for hybrid players are not representative of future prices - at all.

Once BluRay players drop to say... $299 - you will see hybrid players for no more than $399. The only question is whether anyone would actually care about hybrid players. In the short term at least.

 



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Gamerace on 30 August 2007

Here my take and I wonder how many other 'average' people would agree: I don't care for HD, period. I goto the store, see the sets playing the Nature channel in HD and it's like, oh look, you can make out every noise hair. Or they're showing hockey (yes, I'm in Canada....) and it's like, look you can see every scratch on the ice. So friggin' what?? Yesterday Sears was showing Stars Wars III, it looked terrible. They need a $199 HD player apparently....
When my TV dies I will buy a new one for about $300-500. If HD TVs are that cheap by then, I'll consider one, if not, I don't care. If I do get HD, I still have 50 VHS movies and about 100 dvds. I have alsolutely no intention of getting rid of my VHS/dvd player, ever. I will continue to buy dvds (and still buy the odd $5 VHS) as long as they're sold. Once they stop being sold, I will not move to yet another new format (and another, and another) I'll just download movies digitally from then on.



 

Killzone3 on 30 August 2007
shams said:
Killzone3 said:
shams said:

I think its time to face the facts - both formats are here to stay.

I actually have my money on HD-DVD (slightly) dominating in the long term.

...

IMO, this highlights Sony's strategy (including a BluRay drive in the PS3) as even more wrong. I don't see any compelling argument that its necessary for games. It delayed the launch of the device by 6 months. It pushes the price up, making PS3s less affordable.

You'll see cheap hybrid players out within 12 months. This means that most companies will gravitate towards the cheaper manufacturing process - which is HD-DVD.

I also think that HD-DVD owners will end up with a higher attach rate than BluRay owners - and the PS3 is only going to this equation a lot worse. Include PS3 owners - and the attach rate is worse. Exclude them - and there aren't enough drives on the market to warrant a release.

...

If I could get a HD-DVD player PLUS transformers for $199(AU) - I would be sold. My TV still looks great, and does 1080i - which is all I care about.

 


I know your always anti sony but come back to reality. A Hybrid palyer costs $800, they sure as hell wont be "affordable" with in 12 months. Where will they get this huge cost cutting from ?

Face the fact, what your opinion is a fact now.

 

Tell me, what do YOU think internally the differences between a BluRay & HD-DVD player are?

A stand-alone BluRay player is what... $399? It might share $100 of components with a HD-DVD player (i.e. digital processing, frame buffer creation, RAMDAC, output circuitry, case, front display, physical disc mechanism) - probably a lot more than $100.

So what makes YOU think that if you put a $199 + $399 piece of equipment together - that share $100 (or more) of components - you get $799?

Sorry - but I think you are typing without actually thinking about what you are typing. Existing prices for hybrid players are not representative of future prices - at all.

Once BluRay players drop to say... $299 - you will see hybrid players for no more than $399. The only question is whether anyone would actually care about hybrid players. In the short term at least.

 

 

Priceless you want to be anti sony you act all smart talkin hybrids yet have no clue on their price.

 

 



Killzone3 on 30 August 2007
kn said:
Killzone3 said:
rocketpig said:
Killzone3 said:
no 1080p

What a joke, whats the point of it ?

Pay 2/3k for a giant tv then get some cheap ass player, makes no sense.

Way to carry the torch for those one percenters who rock 1080p HDTVs, Killzone. Martin Luther King would be proud of your devotion to their cause.


Every tv hitting stores now 1080p now, its the new standart.


Uh, actually, No. Try again. Walmart, for instance, has 15 LCD sets 37" or above. 5 are 1080p. That's 1/3. Further there are 6 screens in this size range under $1000. ZERO are 1080P capable. Guess where Joe Sixpack shops? Guess what he's likely going to buy? (hint: Not the expensive one)

I'd agree that Christmas 2008 will see the majority of sets 1080p capable but not this year by any stretch. I'd also add that 1080P is a relatively new phenomenon. It has really only been widely available this year at a fair price point. Guess what that means? A whole heap of HD sets have been sold over the last handful of years and no reasonable priced sets 1080P sets were available until recently...

You can wish it all you want but that doesn't make it so. I've got plenty of disposable income and I'm still waiting for prices to come down a bit. At this point I'm looking at a 37" or 42" LCD and will be buying 720P since they have dropped like a rock in price. Best wishes in the crow eating thread. :)


 Yahh 15" to watch Br movies, does that make any sense.  Might as well stick with dvd on tiny tvs like that. 



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Lingyis on 30 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
 

Priceless you want to be anti sony you act all smart talkin hybrids yet have no clue on their price.

 

 


you completely missed his point.  he responded to your "how in 12 months can price drop from $800 to something like $399?", not the current price.  indeed, he said: "Existing prices for hybrid players are not representative of future prices - at all."



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misterd on 30 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
shams said:

I think its time to face the facts - both formats are here to stay.

I actually have my money on HD-DVD (slightly) dominating in the long term.

...

IMO, this highlights Sony's strategy (including a BluRay drive in the PS3) as even more wrong. I don't see any compelling argument that its necessary for games. It delayed the launch of the device by 6 months. It pushes the price up, making PS3s less affordable.

You'll see cheap hybrid players out within 12 months. This means that most companies will gravitate towards the cheaper manufacturing process - which is HD-DVD.

I also think that HD-DVD owners will end up with a higher attach rate than BluRay owners - and the PS3 is only going to this equation a lot worse. Include PS3 owners - and the attach rate is worse. Exclude them - and there aren't enough drives on the market to warrant a release.

...

If I could get a HD-DVD player PLUS transformers for $199(AU) - I would be sold. My TV still looks great, and does 1080i - which is all I care about.

 


 I know your always anti sony but come back to reality.  A Hybrid palyer costs $800, they sure as hell wont be "affordable" with in 12 months.  Where will they get this huge cost cutting from ?

 Face the fact, what your opinion is a fact now.

  


9 months ago HD & BR players were mostly priced out of reach. Now there's $200-300 HD, and BR under $500, and both will likely have lower avg prices this holiday. It's very feasible that hybrid players will halve their prices next fall, esp if this format war looks unlikely to end.

kn on 30 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
kn said:
Killzone3 said:
rocketpig said:
Killzone3 said:
no 1080p

What a joke, whats the point of it ?

Pay 2/3k for a giant tv then get some cheap ass player, makes no sense.

Way to carry the torch for those one percenters who rock 1080p HDTVs, Killzone. Martin Luther King would be proud of your devotion to their cause.


Every tv hitting stores now 1080p now, its the new standart.


Uh, actually, No. Try again. Walmart, for instance, has 15 LCD sets 37" or above. 5 are 1080p. That's 1/3. Further there are 6 screens in this size range under $1000. ZERO are 1080P capable. Guess where Joe Sixpack shops? Guess what he's likely going to buy? (hint: Not the expensive one)

I'd agree that Christmas 2008 will see the majority of sets 1080p capable but not this year by any stretch. I'd also add that 1080P is a relatively new phenomenon. It has really only been widely available this year at a fair price point. Guess what that means? A whole heap of HD sets have been sold over the last handful of years and no reasonable priced sets 1080P sets were available until recently...

You can wish it all you want but that doesn't make it so. I've got plenty of disposable income and I'm still waiting for prices to come down a bit. At this point I'm looking at a 37" or 42" LCD and will be buying 720P since they have dropped like a rock in price. Best wishes in the crow eating thread. :)


Yahh 15" to watch Br movies, does that make any sense. Might as well stick with dvd on tiny tvs like that.


 Killzone -- reach around the back of your head and find the little switch that controls power to your brain.  Slide it to the "on" position.  (pausing for a moment to allow completion of the task).  Ok, let's go back together  and read my post.  "15 LCD sets that are 37" or above".  Thats 37", 40", 42", and 52 inches in case you couldn't find the little switch.



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Entroper on 30 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
kn said:

Uh, actually, No. Try again. Walmart, for instance, has 15 LCD sets 37" or above. 5 are 1080p. That's 1/3. Further there are 6 screens in this size range under $1000. ZERO are 1080P capable. Guess where Joe Sixpack shops? Guess what he's likely going to buy? (hint: Not the expensive one)

I'd agree that Christmas 2008 will see the majority of sets 1080p capable but not this year by any stretch. I'd also add that 1080P is a relatively new phenomenon. It has really only been widely available this year at a fair price point. Guess what that means? A whole heap of HD sets have been sold over the last handful of years and no reasonable priced sets 1080P sets were available until recently...

You can wish it all you want but that doesn't make it so. I've got plenty of disposable income and I'm still waiting for prices to come down a bit. At this point I'm looking at a 37" or 42" LCD and will be buying 720P since they have dropped like a rock in price. Best wishes in the crow eating thread. :)


Yahh 15" to watch Br movies, does that make any sense. Might as well stick with dvd on tiny tvs like that.


Where in his post does it say anything about a 15" screen?  He says they have 15 sets that are 37" or above.

Seriously man.  Think first, THEN post.  You need to take a breath to let some of that fanboyism escape before it makes its way onto the internets. 



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akuma587 on 30 August 2007

This will sell millions more HD-DVD players than Blu-Ray players, just like the $499 price point was supposed to, just like the $399 price point was supposed to, just like the $299 price point was supposed to. Ah hell...

Some of you act like Sony and the BDA will not drop prices to follow suit. Sony already said you might see BD players at $300 this Christmas.



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