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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
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They can increase the advertising all they want, but if people are getting an altered product with cheesy accents, altered names and even portions of the game missing, what's the point?  People aren't stupid, they aren't going to get all ecstatic over an inferior product.  The game might sell more copies, but it won't gain a long term fanbase.  That takes actual effort and quality control.  Something it seems only the actual producers of the series seem to be able to have a handle over in their native country.

Does SE actually remove parts of the game from western releases?  Last I heard they were still adding new things to western releases (then reselling them in Japan at a marked up rate later).

Last I heard the corny accents aren't coming.  On a somewhat related yet unreleated note, the sad part about the accents thing is that most people probably don't even recognize Japanese accents too well so they get uppity when western releases have accents.  Can you tell the difference between Tokyo native and an Osaka native for example?

They removed a lot from Dragon Quest IV.  Things like the Party Chat feature, a couple scenes from the game (puff puff) and altering the story.  With little logical reason for it, other than possibly wanting to make the game appeal to a more 'casual' audiance.  I really have given up trying to understand the logic behind localizations for Square-Enix.  It almost seems they change things just for the sake of changing it.

And they haven't given an American release for a Dragon Quest game original content since DQVIII.  And all that included was added voices (which weren't in the original game) and an orchestrated score.  All the other improvements to the game come from the original Japanese games.  What we in America get is just alterations or cuts. 

For Dragon Quest V however, early reports are claiming that they are altering (and possibly removing) portions of the script again.  As well as changing names and giving certain characters accents, which has been confirmed.

I have been made aware that one of the primary reasons is that every Western copy of DQIV (American and European) has the code for every single Western language version inside of it, with certain switches flipped to make it so that a given language displays. This is just what I hear.

It's not arbitrary - it's just laziness, or possibly cost-cutting.

And no, most people who play it (like me) don't care all that much.

People who would pick it up if Nintendo pushes it as hard as they pushed Pokemon wouldn't care, either.



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by the time FFXIII releases most people would have stoped caring about the series i mean dam, why does it take them so long to release the dam game at this rate versus will be out first.



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I have been made aware that one of the primary reasons is that every Western copy of DQIV (American and European) has the code for every single Western language version inside of it, with certain switches flipped to make it so that a given language displays. This is just what I hear.

It's not arbitrary - it's just laziness, or possibly cost-cutting.

And no, most people who play it (like me) don't care all that much.

People who would pick it up if Nintendo pushes it as hard as they pushed Pokemon wouldn't care, either.

If they really wanted to cut costs and effort, they would have just gone with a straight English translation.  Our views of the accents aside, that's just really the logical assumption.  The quickest and easiest way would have been to translate the game with a straight 'Queen's English' Translation.  And the same to be said for all other languages that needed to be considered in the European release.

It has been done in the past.  Dragon Quest I-III on the GBC and Dragon Quest VII on the PSX did it.  And nothing was lost in translation or character.  But there is a argument to be said that there has been too much time and effort being put into these accents and changing of script over the various Dragon Quest titles over the years that material has been left out of games  Wither its due to time restraints or lazyness, that's unacceptable.  Especially since we got Dragon Quest IV DS WELL after a year of the Japanese release, and the Japanese release even had a beta english translation embedded into the game.  They've dropped the ball on Dragon Quest in America.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

If they really wanted to cut costs and effort, they would have just gone with a straight English translation.  Our views of the accents aside, that's just really the logical assumption.  The quickest and easiest way would have been to translate the game with a straight 'Queen's English' Translation.  And the same to be said for all other languages that needed to be considered in the European release.

It has been done in the past.  Dragon Quest I-III on the GBC and Dragon Quest VII on the PSX did it.  And nothing was lost in translation or character.  But there is a argument to be said that there has been too much time and effort being put into these accents and changing of script over the various Dragon Quest titles over the years that material has been left out of games  Wither its due to time restraints or lazyness, that's unacceptable.  Especially since we got Dragon Quest IV DS WELL after a year of the Japanese release, and the Japanese release even had a beta english translation embedded into the game.  They've dropped the ball on Dragon Quest in America.

And I'm buying and immensely enjoying them anyway.



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outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
The major thing I see with this announcement is 2 fold. One, it might impact the RECORD slaes for DQIX. It'll still sell in the millions, but it might not sell the 6-9 million I thought it would because some people feel angry by all the waiting and the delay (hey, some people just get angry whenever a game gets delayed).

Two, this effects the launch of DQVI DS yet again. Which probably was only recently finished, but they weren't going to release next to DQIX. Now they're probably going to hold its release until next Christmas in Japan because DQIX has to be stalled until Summer....

It just means America once again is going to be devoid of Dragon Quest for a long time. Which is bad because its not like they're handling it well over here, in advertising or localization, in the first place.

It would never sell that much. DQ9 selling more than 4 million would be an accomplishment in itself.

Dragon Quest 8 only sold 3.63 million on PS2 in Japan.

 

And it may not get up there.  But while the PS2 was suppose to be the BEST SELLING SYSTEM EVAR!!!!, Dragon Quest VIII its still not the best selling Dragon Quest game.  Which goes to DQVII for best single selling title and DQIII for best accumulated sales in the series.

And this is the DS we're talking about.  Which is pretty much becoming synonymous with Japanese gaming.  I think its at least going to topple all other DQ sales, if not break 5 million easily.

I think 4 million is a realistic goal for DQ9. 5 million is aiming a little high.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
The major thing I see with this announcement is 2 fold. One, it might impact the RECORD slaes for DQIX. It'll still sell in the millions, but it might not sell the 6-9 million I thought it would because some people feel angry by all the waiting and the delay (hey, some people just get angry whenever a game gets delayed).

Two, this effects the launch of DQVI DS yet again. Which probably was only recently finished, but they weren't going to release next to DQIX. Now they're probably going to hold its release until next Christmas in Japan because DQIX has to be stalled until Summer....

It just means America once again is going to be devoid of Dragon Quest for a long time. Which is bad because its not like they're handling it well over here, in advertising or localization, in the first place.

It would never sell that much. DQ9 selling more than 4 million would be an accomplishment in itself.

Dragon Quest 8 only sold 3.63 million on PS2 in Japan.

And it may not get up there.  But while the PS2 was suppose to be the BEST SELLING SYSTEM EVAR!!!!, Dragon Quest VIII its still not the best selling Dragon Quest game.  Which goes to DQVII for best single selling title and DQIII for best accumulated sales in the series.

And this is the DS we're talking about.  Which is pretty much becoming synonymous with Japanese gaming.  I think its at least going to topple all other DQ sales, if not break 5 million easily.

Well, the series is kind of in a decline if you compare DQ7 -> DQ8. But that's a long time ago.

But it's also been a while since another non Pokemon RPG has sold well in Japan. The only two that broke a million were DQ 5 and 6. (as far games released in 2008)

And the DS isn't much of a better seller than the PS2. I do not think breaking 5 million will be easy by any means.



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outlawauron said:

Well, the series is kind of in a decline if you compare DQ7 -> DQ8. But that's a long time ago.

But it's also been a while since another non Pokemon RPG has sold well in Japan. The only two that broke a million were DQ 5 and 6. (as far games released in 2008)

And the DS is much of a better seller than the PS2. I do not think breaking 5 million will be easy by any means.

I assume you mean that it isn't - and it is. It's just that Nintendo is behind most of the games that shatter records.

I hope the game does as well as Nintendo has the potential to make it do. They're a very different company than they were twenty years ago, with a much better understanding of the market.

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