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Dodece said:
@thanny

I know you think you found a loophole. However I was not including other variants or versions in my analysis. The original version is still the most popular by far, and is still sold unadulterated to this very day. There is basically no need to lump, and were I to have presented it in lump, as you fondly pointed out with all the version you own. Well we would be looking at a number in excess of a billion.

Regardless for Tetris, and including variants other titles rocket to the top of the list. Such as Pacman, Gallaga, Pong, Monopoly, and Oregon Trail. Damn you Dysentery damn you to hell. Oregon Trail by the way was sold as educational software, and as far as I know still is. It really is a awesome game if you haven't played it you should make it a point to do so. There is currently a version for mobile phones. So if your service has it you should play it.

Basically do not underestimate the old classics. They still sell many copies today, and have sold well for decades. So they have had ample time to create a large number of sales. Perhaps one day the current games you are fighting about may enjoy the same fate. The tragedy is they have not been adequately tracked, because frankly a lot of them came out before tracking, and nobody actively bothers to track them today.

No, Thanny's right. The "original" version you speak of is long, long since dead. Every variant that people download today may be the "classic" formula, but it's not the original game. It's nothing like it. By your argument, RE4 Wii sales should count as RE4 GCN. Same as RE4 PS2. Same game, with the exact same sort of arguably "minor" changes as these various forms of Tetris.



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Dodece said:
I will put this discussion to an end. All of you are wrong on both sides of the debate, because neither game is the best selling game of all time. That honor goes to a game that has graced just about every gaming platform known. Annually sells millions of copies globally, and is over twenty years old. A game which defies estimates due to its very ubiquitous nature. Though it would not be unreasonable to estimate sales of half a billion.

That game would be Tetris. Most everyone on these forums has owned a version of this game. Most members of these forums probably own a copy of this game right now. These days its preferred device is mobile phones. Oh and do not even bother to say well its not console, or different devices matter. They do not it is the same game it was over twenty years ago, and it has graced about every console that has existed since its inception.

Bottom line Tetris puts all those other games to shame.

 

So basically I should count every Mario game ever made?



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Tetris being on every device does not mean it is a fundamentally altered product. You can still buy and play the original game without any visible alteration. The fact that anyone thinks they cannot is disturbing, or actually thinks the alterations to the formula are anywhere close to overwhelming the original design is laughable. The original simple game is still the game people crave.

Are there alterations in the code itself? Yes most probably, but it does not present itself in the final product. Anymore then the alterations to code found in Zelda for the virtual console, or Fable for Live do not change the facts that they are Zelda or Fable. Now if you feel otherwise you need to start labeling Nintendo and Microsoft as liars.

The genesis of the game also does not serve as a real barrier. The license holder being a now defunct country. Which did not actually practice capitalism itself. Allowed the game to fall into a permanent twilight. Which allowed numerous parties to this very day to write their own code, and introduce the same game. Almost at inception it went right into public domain.

What is under the hood, or the name on the game have no seeming impact on the final product. Which is understandable seeing as the design is so terribly simple, and if your willing to define by what is exactly under the hood. Then games like Wii sports which will see code inclusions for things such as the peripheral enhancement that Nintendo has created would also cease to be the same product. Hell it has probably seen tweaks over the years. So you might say the original Wii Sports has probably not even sold ten million copies.

Nitpicking is a real bitch, because in the end your always left with nothing. You end up with no game selling a lot, because the owner incorporates minor changes over time. Hell even a alteration in the fine print in the games credits, or in the games player manual could allow you to discount any but the very first shipment of a game.

You can waste your time, but for me the final product is all that is relevant. Most especially if I see no difference between one instance or another. I look at my cell phone. I see the same Tetris I played on my NES. To me it is the same game, and to the vast majority of people it is the same game. I could care less if there is a code alteration in line seventy two, or whether it comes from some company I have never heard of. I know the game, and I know the name. So the answer is no your wrong, and no not every Mario game could be crammed into one.

Now if you play Super Mario 64 on your Wii. You know what I will say yeah that is the same game I played on my 64. You try to tell me Super Mario 2, and Super Mario World are the same game, and I will have to laugh in your face.



Like I said, it is not the same thing. Most games nowadays have eternal spin, T-spins, and instant drops coded in. ALL of them have at least one of those.

Original Tetris did not.

Thus, it is NOT the same game.

 

Tetris is my favourite puzzle game by and far. And I like it a LOT more than Wii Sports. But I'm not going to foolishly try to come up with excuses as to why it should be a better-selling game. Especially since the experience is VASTLY changed depending on what system you play it on, even if the game itself is coded identically. You CAN'T tell me that playing with an analog stick on an Xbox is the same as playing with a keyboard, or on a DS with the classic D-pad and button config.

 

It's not the same game. Quit coming up with excuses and get over it.



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thanks dodece, you reminded me how awesome tetris is.

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So your explaining... that because it looks the same it is the same?

So Halo must be up there. V_V GTA also, 2d megamans as well, oh man so many games have outsold Wii Sports!

I guess I'm just being captain negativity or maybe your just wrong... I'm probably being negative though.

By your standard though, just about every racing game should be calculated as one cohesive product and sales calculated as such.



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I have to side with Dodece here. Tetris games are almost all the same (feel free to count out the ones which aren't). Two games in the same franchise have either different stories, different mechanics, different levels etc, none of which is true for most versions of Tetris.



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So all tetris is now just Tetris.

Maybe you guys should put into perspective what Tetris is to begin with.

From where I am looking Tetris is a puzzle game where the game provides the tools to build your own content. A much less complex version of LBP I guess. The point of that game is to recieve a high score. The game doesn't even have an ending.

The game has to be put back into production each time it's brought to a new version on a different platform or whatever, that alone should constitute each game being different enough to not be counted as one united game.

The conversation is good though, because it is undeniable that Tetris is a game yet it throws into perspective what we thought games were to begin with.

Is the fact that one production of a game has a certain story and another product continues the first products story does this mean that the second product is a sequal in the sense that it's a sequal to a game or is it a sequal in some other termanology?



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