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It certainly deserves to go the way of the Dreamcast, the way Sony has ran it into the ground, but no. It has survived up to this point on brand name and RRoD fear alone, and it's at an unbelievably high price point.

Now that the console is on the verge of a major price cut, and it's finally starting to get some respectable exclusives, I don't think it has anywhere to go but up.

Again, though, it certainly deserves to ruin the company, for what they have done to the playstation brand.

That brand is the only think that kept the console afloat. Most of you here bought the PS3 because of the brand, and not the games. That brand saved the console. To be more precise, consumer ignorance and PS2 marketing from 5 years ago saved the console.

You believed the games would come because of the brand, and because you believed, the games did come. It was just a close call back there in 2007, but you made it though guys, by sipping the cool-aid....or maybe, just maybe, hope is a better way to put it.

Is that an incorrect assessment?



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
It certainly deserves to go the way of the Dreamcast, the way Sony has ran it into the ground, but no. It has survived up to this point on brand name and RRoD fear alone, and it's at an unbelievably high price point.

Now that the console is on the verge of a major price cut, and it's finally starting to get some respectable exclusives, I don't think it has anywhere to go but up.

Again, though, it certainly deserves to ruin the company, for what they have done to the playstation brand.

That brand is the only think that kept the console afloat. Most of you here bought the PS3 because of the brand, and not the games. That brand saved the console. To be more precise, consumer ignorance and PS2 marketing from 5 years ago saved the console.

Is that an incorrect assessment?

 

Finally getting respectable exlusives? Are you including 2008 in this "finally" because that was only the 2nd year of the console and saw a ton of great exclusives come out for PS3.

I think what you aren't connecting is that the brand is connected to first party games. It's the same as all the Nintendo fanboys buying whatever Nintendo puts out because of Mario and Zelda. Yes, I originally kept a launch PS3 (sold 1) because of the games I knew would be exlusive, like MGS4 and GoW3. That's loyalty to a brand, if you want to call it that, but it's more loyalty to games series you know you like. I did think FF13 would be exclusive as well, but Versus still is so that still applies.

Edit:  I might have sold my PS3 and bought it later if it wasn't for Resistance, which I enjoyed quite a bit at the time.  Games aren't scarce, so it's not just loyalty to Sony.  I have a Samsung TV, too, heh.



What most of the people said: NO!

And Sony won't abandon 20 million people.



Im really likin the responses Im getting....As for those people saying OH NO NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN...Um how am I suppose to know this thread was put up millions of times?

Im new here first of all...and Second of all I have a life I go to work and School I dont sit around reading threads all day...I just wanted peoples opinion and thier POV....

@Bodece

Your on the same track I am...because Im not saying the Ps3 is going to be like the Dreamcast right not in a blink of an eye...Im statin that if the sales numbers do not pick up and they start making a PROFIT of the system I feel like they would cease production and abandone the system...

They have already lost alot of their party exclusives which they had previously ruled over...RE5...FF13...GTA 4...

The question Im asking is not so far fetch as to be accounted as "impossible" actually I believe its very possible....If your not making a profit of a product your selling...how long will you continue to support it?

I love my Ps3 I feel like its the best since the power in the little SOB :) (Im a power junkie) lol...but I think companies going to have to learn its not always about power...its about the games...every generation had the system with less graphical abilities beat out the more "powerful" system....

Example

Wii>Ps3 and 360

Ps2>Xbox

Ps1>N64

Snes>Sega

Ok that last one you can really argue it lol



Just2Fresh said:
Im really likin the responses Im getting....As for those people saying OH NO NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN...Um how am I suppose to know this thread was put up millions of times?

Im new here first of all...and Second of all I have a life I go to work and School I dont sit around reading threads all day...I just wanted peoples opinion and thier POV....

@Bodece

Your on the same track I am...because Im not saying the Ps3 is going to be like the Dreamcast right not in a blink of an eye...Im statin that if the sales numbers do not pick up and they start making a PROFIT of the system I feel like they would cease production and abandone the system...

They have already lost alot of their party exclusives which they had previously ruled over...RE5...FF13...GTA 4...

The question Im asking is not so far fetch as to be accounted as "impossible" actually I believe its very possible....If your not making a profit of a product your selling...how long will you continue to support it?

I love my Ps3 I feel like its the best since the power in the little SOB :) (Im a power junkie) lol...but I think companies going to have to learn its not always about power...its about the games...every generation had the system with less graphical abilities beat out the more "powerful" system....

Example

Wii>Ps3 and 360

Ps2>Xbox

Ps1>N64

Snes>Sega

Ok that last one you can really argue it lol

 

 Here, I'll provide you all with some numbers.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 11th Nov 2006 to 24th Jan 2009:


Console X360
Total
22,741,801

 

Note: Nov. 11th is the PS3 Japan Launch date, it was launched on the 17th in NA, and Europe and other PAL territories and other regions on March 23, 2007.

By contrast the 360 in its first year on the market, the system launched in 36 countries, more countries than any console has launched in a single year.[*wikipedia] 

Suffice to say, on December 2005 the Xbox 360 had launched on all major territories, it was virtually a WW launch.

PS3 sold today (VGC numbers) roughly 20 million retail sales.

Despite the 360 having a 1 year lead in NA/Japan, and 1.4 year lead in Europe/Others when comparing both systems sales from the point both were available at the same time I can argue the PS3 is slightly doing better (when I consider sales from EU didn't exist until 5 months after the first launch). And the 1/1.4 year lead has helped the X360 , obviously, in market penetration and the ability to drop the price first, even when it was already cheaper than the PS3.

This by no means is something to be proud of for a company that was the king of videogaming, but since I'm on topic, I'll leave it at that saying : the Dreamcast didn't do that.   



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coolestguyever said:
Aiemond said:
markers said:
Just2Fresh said:

I want to get peoples opinions on wether they believe the Ps3 will eventually meet the same fate the Sega Dreamcast did back in 2001...

I have a Ps3 and had a 360(sold it) great system also....since Ps3 sales numbers have been horrible in the past couple of months and Sony posting HUGE losses financially. Do you believe the Ps3 will be haulted in Production and abandoned if this year is not good for it?

 

i have yet to see horrible numbers.

 

Guess you missed holiday 08

 

 No I didn't miss Christmas (not holiday) 2008, in fact I saw some great numbers. Considering its a $400/$500 console and you can buy an arcade for half the price its selling amazing. The only consoles I can think of that were as expensive at launch as the PS3 are the 3DO which sold 2 million LTD and the Neo Geo. So pretty remarkable its doing so well.

 

That's some remarkable spin, are you sure your name is not Tucker Bounds? "We will win Virginia and have a real shot an Pensylvania"

Let's face it, Playstation was by far the market leader in the last generation. It is now being outsold 2:1 in the MOST IMPORTANT time of the year. There is a reason they call the friday after thanksgiving "black friday". This is when most retails go from the red into the black because they make a majority of their sales. The whole year builds up to that point. Yet, in that time not only did Sony lose by around 5:1 to Nintendo, they lost basically 2:1 to MS. These are the two console makers that only got a fraction of the market last generation.

 

"Bu bu bu bu price cut!!!1111!1!!!"

Yes, it had an impact. Yes, the economy had an impact. But, if people still wanted a ps3 very badly over the other two systems, they would have gotten it. Not only that, the whole of Sony is running itself into the ground. Trying to spin this into good news is folly. There is no good news this generation for sony. It does not matter if it is selling well at its price, what matters is if you are either recouping your investment (almost impossible at this point for sony, starting to make a profit and recouping the cost of development are two very different things) or grabbing an increased market share, also impossible at this point. Without either of those two things, a market leader being relegated to fighting hard for second place is a dismal and utter failure.

 

And, I am not saying PS3 is anything like dreamcast, it is more like Gamecube without the profit.



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johnathonmerritt said:
No. The PS3 isn't going the way of the Dreamcast. If we go back 15 years, Nintendo was beating Sega into a pulp. Then Sony came into the picture, smacking Nintendo just as hard. This hurt Sega beyond redemption. As the PS2 came out, it had no competition. N64 and DC sales could not compare. Sega's superior competition was taken down by a stronger foe.

Now, we have the Wii selling amazing, but to a different crowd. The PS3 has sold better than the 360 until their recent price cut (When launch dates are aligned). Right now, it makes since. None of the three will die. The Wii is to one audience, the PS3/360 to another. The sales of the wii are close to the PS3/360 combined. (Which are currently close to even.

Sony doesn't have anyone beating them out of the race like the Dreamcast had. They are close to even with their only true competition. No one who wants an HD console is going to be happy with the Wii alone. Most of the people who want an XBox 360 already have one. Therefore, when the price cuts come along. People will massively buy the PS3.

Will it sell as good as the PS2? Probably not. Who knows, though. They already have all the games they need. With proper price cuts, functional firmware updates, and a stepped up marketing campaign, it could. The PS3 has sold extremely well for the price during a worldwide recession and it still has many more years.

By the time all is said and done, the PS3 will outsell the 360. If you want to ask if a console is going the way of the Dreamcast, the 360 is the most likely candidate. Everyone would agree that isn't going to happen. The only way any of the three will be taken out is if either, one of the companies goes broke (Sony of Microsoft likely), or a forth player is added to the field (Apple?).

There is NO chance at all that the PS3 will overtake LTD 360 sales and there is NO chance of it outselling the 360 in 2009 either, to think otherwise is just being deluded,

Any move Sony make to try and get the PS3 selling more will be countered by Microsoft (they confirmed this), the 360 has been outselling the PS3 non-stop since September 2008 with the 8 million gap increasing all the time, and even if Sony do manage to cut the price I don't think it will affect sales that much as the PS3's reputation is at an all time low at the moment after all the bad media exposure since Christmas,

And in the UK PS3's have been on sale for £229 (HMV, Sainsburys, Zavvy all had them at this price) at a couple of places yet they still didn't sell that well (360 is often out of stock at these stores I mentioned), the PS3's image in the UK is very bad at the moment, game stores have the PS3 areas right at the back of the stores (game, gamestation, hmv etc) where as Wii and 360 are right at the front by the entrance to attract potential new customers, it's things like this which is affecting the PS3,

 

I want the PS3 to do well as I own one but I know when to be realistic on things, Sony have their head in the sand, they are in dire trouble with huge losses, PS3 sales are down year on year for the second year in a row while the Wii and 360 are higher year on year (360 100% increase in EU compared to last year),

Sony just don't have the money to turn the PS3 around as it will cost a fortune to get things back on track, price cuts, huge marketing, better support all costs money which they can't afford to do at this moment in time, catch 22 situation.....

 



The foolishness of some of you is hilarious.

DC was commercial crap, PS3 at its price is a success. Price kiddies try to wrap your minds around that little thing, it will even help you in your every day life.



The_God_of_War said:

The anti-PS3 crowd said this in 2006 and 2007 and they have twice been proven wrong. But this time they are definately right, 3rd times a charm. It's going the way of the Dreamcast, Sony are the next Sega. Sony + Sega = Sogany. I'm going to call them Sogany from now on.

lol

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

I guess time will tell...Il stick it out with my Ps3 until next gen even if Sony stops supporting it...I dont have a reason to buy a 360 again....Only game for 360 I want right now is Left 4 Dead