By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sony - PS3: JRPG success!

Onyxmeth on 21 January 2009
jammy2211 said:

 You've pretty much nailed what this guy is saying, and alot of it is unrealistic fanboy junk.

 The one thing I will say is that I think there is no doubt a market for HD RPG's, albeit not like the DS or Wii or PSP. The largest global RPG franchise has it's next iteration coming to the PS3 and Xbox 360, we know it'll sell big. That will open up a market for these RPG's, no one's going to ignore the fact it's coming.

 But the market it opens isn't going to lead to the flood of RPG's like DS or PS2 see, I'm thinking more just 1 or 2 'big' releases other then final fantasy every year on PS360. I think that's a model which can prove profitable and sustain itself.

 IT'll be interesting to see how things pan out 0_o. I'm pretty bored of the DS RPG's now, although most don't seem to come to Europe anyway.

I feel most of the issues in RPGs can never be solved by horsepower. It's going to take creativity from developers to start breaking the tired traditions RPGs have set forth. I doubt there's a battle system that can come along this gen that wouldn't have been possible last gen with inferior horsepower. I do feel though that no amount of power is going to change 90% of NPCs in towns having nothing substantial to add to the game, buildings and houses you can walk into when there is nothing to offer you inside for your quest, and the same overarching story playing out for the umpteenth time. Persona 4 is more forward thinking than every JRPG released this gen and it's on PS2.

I do agree there is a market for RPGs on HD consoles, but there needs to be more effort put into the product. However, I feel the bulk need to stay where it's easier to succeed, because JRPG sales can be iffy, and that is on the two handhelds and the winning console. They need those extra JPN sales those platforms can give them.

@Forevercloud-I just wanted to quickly answer you about FF XIV. I guarantee if it were Wii exclusive it would sell more than both HD consoles combined could sell it.

 



Tag: Became a freaking mod and a complete douche, coincidentally, at the same time.



Around the Network
ShadowSoldier on 21 January 2009
badgenome said:

forevercloud 3000 said:

The Wii also uses an outdated format just like the 360 meaning shorter RPGs(which is an oxymoron of what JRPGs are suppose to be. And please don't say multiple discs because a multiple bluray disc game trumps a multiple dvd disc game anyday).

Uh... so DVD is outdated because Sony sez so? Can you imagine the budget of a multiple disc Blu-ray game? Exponentially higher development costs, yet the game would sell about as many copies as any other JRPG (i.e. not that many).

One who knows nothing can understand nothing, indeed.

 

Why the hell would someone make a multi-disc blu-ray game? we havent even filled up One DISC! (MGS aside) I think any game with production values that high would probably make it back since Sony would probably market the hell outta that kinda game



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

ShadowSoldier on 21 January 2009
Onyxmeth said:
jammy2211 said:

 You've pretty much nailed what this guy is saying, and alot of it is unrealistic fanboy junk.

 The one thing I will say is that I think there is no doubt a market for HD RPG's, albeit not like the DS or Wii or PSP. The largest global RPG franchise has it's next iteration coming to the PS3 and Xbox 360, we know it'll sell big. That will open up a market for these RPG's, no one's going to ignore the fact it's coming.

 But the market it opens isn't going to lead to the flood of RPG's like DS or PS2 see, I'm thinking more just 1 or 2 'big' releases other then final fantasy every year on PS360. I think that's a model which can prove profitable and sustain itself.

 IT'll be interesting to see how things pan out 0_o. I'm pretty bored of the DS RPG's now, although most don't seem to come to Europe anyway.

I feel most of the issues in RPGs can never be solved by horsepower. It's going to take creativity from developers to start breaking the tired traditions RPGs have set forth. I doubt there's a battle system that can come along this gen that wouldn't have been possible last gen with inferior horsepower. I do feel though that no amount of power is going to change 90% of NPCs in towns having nothing substantial to add to the game, buildings and houses you can walk into when there is nothing to offer you inside for your quest, and the same overarching story playing out for the umpteenth time. Persona 4 is more forward thinking than every JRPG released this gen and it's on PS2.

I do agree there is a market for RPGs on HD consoles, but there needs to be more effort put into the product. However, I feel the bulk need to stay where it's easier to succeed, because JRPG sales can be iffy, and that is on the two handhelds and the winning console. They need those extra JPN sales those platforms can give them.

@Forevercloud-I just wanted to quickly answer you about FF XIV. I guarantee if it were Wii exclusive it would sell more than both HD consoles combined could sell it.

 

maybe we should wait to see the FFXIII numbers on both consoles before we make assumptions such like that

 



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

Rei on 21 January 2009
Hero_time88 said:
BengaBenga said:

 

This data tells us that over 2 years after the PS3 launched there's 1 good JRPG (which is a SRPG) on the system. The brand Playstation as THE place to be for J-games is totally gone.

I honestly don't understand how you can make a thread titled "PS3: JRPG success" and then come with this list. The crying about how games would fare so much better if they were on PS3 and how developers are stupid to make games for 360 makes it even sadder, cause fact is that 360's JRPG library is a lot better than PS3's.

Why don't leave it at opinion? Except for Tales Tales of Vesperia, all the Japanese RPG's for the Xbox 360 are all between 65% and 79% at Gamerankings. I'm not saying that the PS3 has a superior J-RPG library, but atleast Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles, Eternal Sonata (it's just a better game on the PS3) have an avarage above 80% and even one of them is close to the 90% mark. Someone could  argue that quality over quantity is more important.

I don't think that the PS3 is the RPG-console, though I think that J-games (will) sell beter on the PS3 than they do Xbox 360, and I think that in about two years all system's will have some great J-rpg's.

 

 Except for Valkyria Chronicles, all the japanese RPGs for the Playstation 3 are all between 65 and 80 at metacritic. See what I did there? All this "PS3 is about quality jRPGs" bullshit is based on nothing and completely made up by fanboys who still cant get over the July 14th announcement. There is no truth in saying something like that and there is no way to prove it.



Barozi on 21 January 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
badgenome said:

forevercloud 3000 said:

The Wii also uses an outdated format just like the 360 meaning shorter RPGs(which is an oxymoron of what JRPGs are suppose to be. And please don't say multiple discs because a multiple bluray disc game trumps a multiple dvd disc game anyday).

Uh... so DVD is outdated because Sony sez so? Can you imagine the budget of a multiple disc Blu-ray game? Exponentially higher development costs, yet the game would sell about as many copies as any other JRPG (i.e. not that many).

One who knows nothing can understand nothing, indeed.

Why the hell would someone make a multi-disc blu-ray game? we havent even filled up One DISC! (MGS aside) I think any game with production values that high would probably make it back since Sony would probably market the hell outta that kinda game

because forevercloud said so...



Around the Network
forevercloud3000 on 21 January 2009
Onyxmeth said:

I'm going to use this thread to reply to, because you were originally replying to me about mentioning the Wii, DS and PSP.

It's contradictory for you to start a thread showing that RPGs cannot be sustained alone on the 360, show that they cannot be sustained alone on the PS3, and then throw a shit fit when people mention that there are three platforms that CAN sell RPGs, only for you to change your argument to fit that certain RPGs need to be HD so they can fulfill your personal needs. So which is it? Is this a sales thread or a fanboy thread?

I made a good point that even multiplats may not be able to be successful. You come back with there being some need for RPGs to have HD graphics, which really has nothing to do with sales. If RPGs cannot sell well on HD consoles then that's not where they need to be. I find it hypocritical that you would bring up a ridiculous argument about those needs when you're sporting a Cloud Strife avatar. Also weren't you one of the ones bitching about Microsoft "stealing" FF XIII last Summer?

This is all very obvious what this is. This is you missing the RPGs the 360 is getting, and hoping for some reassurance that others feel PS3 should be getting them. You don't even have the ability to stick with your own topic. Your ability to generate any rational thinking in regards to sales is piss poor.

 

 

Firstly did I ever mention anything about Wii, DS, or PSP in this thread? NO? Yet I did mention PS3 and 360. Why is that? Maybe it is because these are the only systems out right now with the capability of what is seen as HD gaming. All other alternatives are not what this discussion is about yet some keep bringing up the Wii as if that changes the matter at hand. My thread never implies that PS3/360 JRPG sales trump the Wii's, far from it. Yet the Wii is not a direct competitor of the HD consoles. It cannot do many of the things they do, or at least not to their standard.

So are you saying that FFXIII is held in the same respect as Jeanne D'Arc? That when these games are reviewed the reviewer will mark down Jeanne D'Arc for not having the same level of graphics? No, because that is crazy talk. The PSP can't generate PS3/360 capabilities so it should not be compared with such games, thats not fair. THe Wii is no different. The Wii is working on PS2 1.5 tech. When a game does not look as graphically pleasing on the Wii we do not hold it against it as we do a PS3/360 game. That means we also cannot hold the fact that Wii JRPGs have sold better then the HD ones.

And yes I was one of those guys "bitching" about FFXIII's betrayal. What does that or the fact that I have a FFVII avatar have to do with anything? Does it change the validity of my opinion? NO. FFXIII was being boasted as "going to use all of the PS3's power" etc. This was not intitiated by the fans, but by the developers. They said they were doing that. It is virtually impossible to to create a game on PS3 that uses a 50gb disc, full Cell potential, and of the highest graphical quality, that can also be done on the 360. IMPOSSIBLE! SE said that the games will be IDENTICAL. 360 cannot replicate 50gb of storage, that means they must be making the PS3 version replicate the 360's storage capacity instead. This alone means that SE LIED about what was being put into the PS3 version, in return, the game is not what they promised it would be. Multiplats prove one thing, that they could have done better with the PS3 version. THis is my personal take on the matter, and I made a point of not including that into my claim. I only brought this up because you took it there.

SUPPOSEDLY multiplatform is the way to go this gen. I personally do not believe it but whatever. I think MP is a fad that needs to die. Yet I am told I am wrong for thinking this. So when I developed this thread I take in account. If FFXIII, one of the best selling JRPG series, found the need to be MP, why haven't much smaller and less visible JRPGs found the need to do so as well. MS SUPPOSEDLY does not moneyhat these companies, so that means no extra incentive to go there. 360 lacks the JRPG fanbase to be of any use to a JRPG developer. Why are these comapanies ONLY putting certain games on THAT system. Look at The Last Remnant, the shining example of this flip floppy belief. The game is MP......yet it came out on 360 first. FFXIII, a game that was previously exclusive to PS3 turned MP, and it has to come out at the same time as it's 360 counterpart(o yes, it is true. SE can lie all they want about it but this game should be coming out in Q409)?!?! WTF?

One or more of these SUPPOSED truths is not.....but you didn't hear that from me.

The only thing flip flopping is the MP argument and that is not my doing.



      

      

      

Greatness Awaits

PSN:Forevercloud (looking for Soul Sacrifice Partners!!!)

jammy2211 on 21 January 2009

Holy Mother of God.



BengaBenga on 21 January 2009

I've seen it all now: comparing FFXIII to Jean d'Arc to prove that HD JRPGs are better.

Hey, I can do that as well! Secret of Mana is better than Eternal Sonata, therefore 16bit JRPGs are better than HD ones.

You really need a DS.



forevercloud3000 on 21 January 2009

I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.



      

      

      

Greatness Awaits

PSN:Forevercloud (looking for Soul Sacrifice Partners!!!)

forevercloud3000 on 21 January 2009
badgenome said:

forevercloud 3000 said:

The Wii also uses an outdated format just like the 360 meaning shorter RPGs(which is an oxymoron of what JRPGs are suppose to be. And please don't say multiple discs because a multiple bluray disc game trumps a multiple dvd disc game anyday).

Uh... so DVD is outdated because Sony sez so? Can you imagine the budget of a multiple disc Blu-ray game? Exponentially higher development costs, yet the game would sell about as many copies as any other JRPG (i.e. not that many).

One who knows nothing can understand nothing, indeed.

 

No, not because Sony says so. It is because BluRay is indisputably superior to DVD. When something comes out that does what you do better then you then yes, you are outdated.

Refer to my previous posts on Multiple BD discs. You guys love to take one example and run with it.



      

      

      

Greatness Awaits

PSN:Forevercloud (looking for Soul Sacrifice Partners!!!)