The definition of mini game is retarded. M&S is not a mini game collectin. Is Beijing 2008 a mini game collection? no it isnt so why is M&S, because its got cartoon animals. Thats a ridiculous argument.

That sounds pretty judgemental to me. The game has sold based on word of mouth, which means that what the consumers wanted from the game, they got. We shouldn't judge people simply because they are looking for a different set of values in a game than we are.

 It is. I agree, I never saw any ads for it on TV or anywhere else. Maybe in Nintendo Power, but that doesn't count.

The answer is obvious isn't it?  First they haven't got the talent to make anything remotely close to Zelda without copying every single puzzle, theme, etc.  Secondly even if they tried it would be pretty rubbish when it stands next to Zelda.  Of course Dogz may be rubbish next to Nintendogs but at least its development cost wouldn't be anything close to as much as that of a Zelda clone and on top of that they are trying to sell the game to people that just won't know any better.  The potential buyers of the Zelda clone would of course know the game sucks compared to Zelda and realise they are much much better off getting the real deal.

No, it's not, and as one of the few people in the thread who actually have the damn game I'm sick of people using it as some sort of poster child of "bad" games that sell on the Wii.

It is not an ambitious game, nor is amazing by any standard. It does one thing, and does it well. It recreates common carnival and fair games on the Wii. It's colorful, easy to play and understand, doesn't demand you unlock half the games, has virtually no load times, and came at a budget price. It probably could be better, but it's well made and easy to play.

If it was awful game, it wouldn't keep selling a year and a half later and be at about 3 million by now. If people didn't like it, it wouldn't average 4/5 stars from customers on Amazon.com, while it's imitators Shrek's Carnival Craze and Circus Games are discounted and have terrible customer reviews.

Someone said in this thread people don't like it because it's not any good, not because of what it is. Okay, what could Cat Daddy Games done to make this a better Carnival Game collection? Controls on some of the game could have been better, like the frog toss. Better customization your character would have been nice. Some kind of interaction with your prizes would also been a welcome addition, like the Toys in Wario Ware Touched.

Aside from that, it's a solid collection of entertaining Carnival inspired mini-games that are generally well tailored to the Wii Remote. If you don't like the idea of playing carnival games on your Wii, that's fine, but don't expect something else from a game called Carnival Games. It's never pretended to do anything else, it was never advertised as something other then virtual fair games you can play on the Wii.

Demotruk:

"By and large, the mini-game compilation strategy has failed. Some of them became word-of-mouth breakaway successes, but the vast majority have been sales failures."

I totally disagree with that statement. Most of the compilations have been made on such a small budget that they prolly break-even at 100-200k selling as low as $30. Basicly the box art bait strategy. There is a complete difference in making something to be sold and something to be actually used. These birdman "droppings" are complete marketing ploys.

I wonder the same thing.  If Carnival Games was competently done, and people enjoyed it, why complain about it?  Also, depends on the definition of "Crappy".  Does it mean not offbeat, or does it mean poorly done?

dib8trman says:

"so then Ubi makes Dogz but then no one thinks of making a Zeldaz what the heck is this?"

okami says hi.

I am not confused about a game being crappy (not buying it) and a game being awesome and buying it. Sorry 2k I have more brains to pick out titles that I prefer or consider quality then get confused with a bunch of crap. Maybe if this was the NES days with no telling how a game really is then this would make since but nowadays there is tons of information on any game.

You know what is happening, third parties are left twittling their thumbs and wondering why they are seeing so much red. The idea that Wii is in a different market or not being able to compete with Nintendo products, casual and hardcore gamers, its all non sensical talking points coined by third parties baffled by Wii's success. As many have already stated this situation is NO different than that of the PS1 or PS2 of the past.

What is funny is that while they continue to bitch, moan and complain, Nintendo continues to rake in the dough, while they continue losing the dough. Third parties will become dependent on Nintendo for financial survival, alot of them are already in that situation.

This guy can say what he wants, I can really care less. 2K is a perpetrator of putting crap on Wii, so unless they are taking steps to improve their quality, then he can really just shut he F* up.

If I were a shareholder, I'd be pist seeing diminishing returns and half assed support for the clear market leader of the generation.