@Disolitude: Yes, Live search is to go after Google, i thought i said it in the post.

As for the advertizers money, from who did M$ gain? Yahoo. That's the key here. And another thing; the strategy M$ used to drive Netscape out a decade ago (and nearly drove Real Player), didn't work with Google.

Apple don't have anything against for people having Windows on Macs. Actually Apple even made dual-boot easier. If you want to use Windows, you can buy Mac, but if you want to use OSX, you need to buy Mac. That's the big difference, which also makes playing Windows based games possible on Apple hardware. It's a bigger win for Apple.
The reason why M$ would need to manufacture its own computer, is because only that way they'd enter the same market. At the moment, when you buy a Windows computer, M$ makes money from software, HP makes money from hardware. When you buy a Mac, Apple makes money from the software, and Apple makes money from the hardware. So M$ can hit Apple only from one side, not the both.

As for iPhone, look at the strategy with Mac, and you'll see why Windows mobile is irrelevant. It's similar to the Apple vs IBM in the 80's.

@dharh: I can see you have very solid arguments as usual.

Motion controls can add alot to a core gaming experiance. That is why so many people are annoyed that there are not to many for the Wii right now. Mario Galaxy and MP3 are perfect example on how motion controls enhance core games in a way you would only undertrand if you played them. That is why there are so many people hoping that the Conduit is really good. Wii controls are fun, in fact more fun than a standard pad for core games if done right (the key here). Also maybe you forgot by the Wii does work with a standard controller for certain games that do work best with a traditional controller (Brawl says hi)

So basically your argument comes down to, it all about graphics, and to tell you the truth, this is not the 90's anymore where EVERYTHING is about more power (recalls the endless arguments about which consoles could push the most polygons last gen). Yea, there are still some people stuck in the past... who think better graphics are the end all, and guess what? They are the ones financially hurting right now... Look at take 2 and EA, pumping out great HD games, and barely making a dime.

Graphics have reach a point where they are a luxory not a neccessity in games, and the Wii only goes to proves this. There is a reason many people still whip out their old NES and play some Excitebike or SMB3... They were just plain fun.

I know, right!  I've been gaming since I've been in diapers and now I'm not a "real" gamer because I own a Wii.  What the hell!

Nintendo said this first time, what, 3 years ago? Get with the times.

Ken its not that owning a wii makes you a non-gamer, but that being a non-gamer makes you most likely to own a wii.

oh cool another Outcast thread

^ I haven't been around recently... should I not be associating myself with him?

well, I guess it possible that could be a pic of Outcast in his avatar, so in that case... no were should not associate...

@TheProf: I'm not sure did i get your logic. First you ask to who Nintendo catered last year, someone posts the list of games and then you complain about that the games were released last year and about their sales.

Wait, now i got it. It's called moving goal posts.

@theprof00: Erm, why bother counting the sales their core games anyway? The fact is, they're releasing them, and plan to release more in the future. Also, labelling games like Super Mario Sluggers or Animal Crossing casual, the sort of franchises they've had during the GC era, doesn't make too much sense to me.

Besides, it's well known there are holes in their releases. They just dumped a ton of core titles in 07 / early 08, so it'll take a while for more to come. They'll release their games once they're ready - they tend to take a while for the main core games like Zelda. Just look at the number of times SSBB was delayed.

If one plays lots of games, they shouldn't solely depend on Nintendo, anyway. If you look at their Gamecube lineup, you'll notice they published about the same number of core titles for the first 2 years.

edit: What I'm trying to get at, is they haven't dropped support for their core audience. They're releasing just as many as they were in the GC era. Early 09 so far isn't quite up to par, but I'd wait until the end of the year until claiming they've abandoned anyone. The third parties (see Sega) are filling in the gap, anyway, so I'm set.