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disolitude on 14 January 2009
bdbdbd said:
@Disolitude: Well, there's not much of reasons for M$ to try to take out Nintendo, except that it's the only strategy M$ knows. But, as long as Nintendo doesn't pose a threat to Windows, there's really no reason for them to go after Nintendo (but plenty of reasons to make money).
The problem M$ faces is, that what they have against, is a company that makes hefty profit even with relatively low sales and has very good financial situation. Think about Google and Apple, M$ would have taken both out, if they could do that. Also, Nintendo and M$ have a different take on the customer, when the odds are against M$.

In the end, if they'd decide to go after Nintendo, it propably would only lead to billions in losses and Nintendo still raking in cash. Of course, Nintendo doesn't want to be on a line of fire.

 

I agree somewhat with what you're saying. If MS can sustain profitability they may decide to follow the path they have charted for themselves and leave Nintendo alone. But somehow I have my doubts...

On the other hand, I do believe MS would have tried to take out Apple and Google(maybe)...but when those government monopoly lawsuits started to happen, they decided its best to let the competition be. :)



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HappySqurriel on 14 January 2009
dharh said:
It's true anyway. Last gen traditional gamers (aka PS2 and XBOX owners) are primarily PS3 and X360 owners. Wii owners are either brand new gamers, nintendo fans, or non-traditional gamers. The fact is the console market has segmented right down the middle 50% wii and 50% PS3/X360. There is just not much crossover.

When this gen ends im going to own probably close to 50 PS3/X360 games and maybe 5 wii games.

 

Being that most Wii owners owned a previous generation console, and many of the best selling games on the Wii would sell amazingly well on the XBox 360 or PS3, I personally doubt that the Wii is full of "new" or "unconventional" gamers ...

Now, I've played videogames since the coleco, have owned multiple consoles in every generation since the SNES was released, and I used to be an avid PC gamer ... I own an XBox 360 and a Wii, and my XBox 360's primary use is as a media center extender and I play games on it about 1/4 as much as I play games on the Wii; the reason for this is simple, like many people my age I became burnt out on FPS and online competition almost a decade ago after playing endless hours of online multiplayer on the PC.



dharh on 14 January 2009
HappySqurriel said:
dharh said:
It's true anyway. Last gen traditional gamers (aka PS2 and XBOX owners) are primarily PS3 and X360 owners. Wii owners are either brand new gamers, nintendo fans, or non-traditional gamers. The fact is the console market has segmented right down the middle 50% wii and 50% PS3/X360. There is just not much crossover.

When this gen ends im going to own probably close to 50 PS3/X360 games and maybe 5 wii games.

 

Being that most Wii owners owned a previous generation console, and many of the best selling games on the Wii would sell amazingly well on the XBox 360 or PS3, I personally doubt that the Wii is full of "new" or "unconventional" gamers ...

Now, I've played videogames since the coleco, have owned multiple consoles in every generation since the SNES was released, and I used to be an avid PC gamer ... I own an XBox 360 and a Wii, and my XBox 360's primary use is as a media center extender and I play games on it about 1/4 as much as I play games on the Wii; the reason for this is simple, like many people my age I became burnt out on FPS and online competition almost a decade ago after playing endless hours of online multiplayer on the PC.

Just because you were a traditional gamer then, doesn't mean you are now.  You're definitely not a traditional gamer now.  Even as you say, you have an X360 but don't play it nearly as much.  I own a Wii but in reality its a dust collector, I wouldn't call myself a wii gamer.

It shouldn't bother people being labeled traditional for much longer.  Traditional will eventually include the Wii point of view, and if things get really good for Wii or Wii-style gaming, it will completely take it over and "Old Style" will become the niche instead of half the market.



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Khuutra on 14 January 2009
dharh said:
HappySqurriel said:
dharh said:
It's true anyway. Last gen traditional gamers (aka PS2 and XBOX owners) are primarily PS3 and X360 owners. Wii owners are either brand new gamers, nintendo fans, or non-traditional gamers. The fact is the console market has segmented right down the middle 50% wii and 50% PS3/X360. There is just not much crossover.

When this gen ends im going to own probably close to 50 PS3/X360 games and maybe 5 wii games.

 

Being that most Wii owners owned a previous generation console, and many of the best selling games on the Wii would sell amazingly well on the XBox 360 or PS3, I personally doubt that the Wii is full of "new" or "unconventional" gamers ...

Now, I've played videogames since the coleco, have owned multiple consoles in every generation since the SNES was released, and I used to be an avid PC gamer ... I own an XBox 360 and a Wii, and my XBox 360's primary use is as a media center extender and I play games on it about 1/4 as much as I play games on the Wii; the reason for this is simple, like many people my age I became burnt out on FPS and online competition almost a decade ago after playing endless hours of online multiplayer on the PC.

Just because you were a traditional gamer then, don't meant you are now.  You're definitely not a traditional gamer now.  Even as you say, you have an X360 but don't play it nearly as much.  I own a Wii but in reality its a dust collector, I wouldn't call myself a wii gamer.

It shouldn't bother people being labeled traditional for much longer.  Traditional will eventually include the Wii point of view, and if things get really good for Wii or Wii-style gaming, it will completely take it over and "Old Style" will become the niche instead of half the market.

What?

You can primarily game on the Wii and be a "traditional gamer". Don't be ridiculous.



dharh on 14 January 2009
Khuutra said:
dharh said:
HappySqurriel said:
dharh said:
It's true anyway. Last gen traditional gamers (aka PS2 and XBOX owners) are primarily PS3 and X360 owners. Wii owners are either brand new gamers, nintendo fans, or non-traditional gamers. The fact is the console market has segmented right down the middle 50% wii and 50% PS3/X360. There is just not much crossover.

When this gen ends im going to own probably close to 50 PS3/X360 games and maybe 5 wii games.

 

Being that most Wii owners owned a previous generation console, and many of the best selling games on the Wii would sell amazingly well on the XBox 360 or PS3, I personally doubt that the Wii is full of "new" or "unconventional" gamers ...

Now, I've played videogames since the coleco, have owned multiple consoles in every generation since the SNES was released, and I used to be an avid PC gamer ... I own an XBox 360 and a Wii, and my XBox 360's primary use is as a media center extender and I play games on it about 1/4 as much as I play games on the Wii; the reason for this is simple, like many people my age I became burnt out on FPS and online competition almost a decade ago after playing endless hours of online multiplayer on the PC.

Just because you were a traditional gamer then, don't meant you are now.  You're definitely not a traditional gamer now.  Even as you say, you have an X360 but don't play it nearly as much.  I own a Wii but in reality its a dust collector, I wouldn't call myself a wii gamer.

It shouldn't bother people being labeled traditional for much longer.  Traditional will eventually include the Wii point of view, and if things get really good for Wii or Wii-style gaming, it will completely take it over and "Old Style" will become the niche instead of half the market.

What?

You can primarily game on the Wii and be a "traditional gamer". Don't be ridiculous.

I don't agree.  Completely new type of control scheme.  Games wildly different.  I honestly do not recognize very many Wii games as what I consider traditional.

 



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Khuutra on 14 January 2009
dharh said:
Khuutra said:

What?

You can primarily game on the Wii and be a "traditional gamer". Don't be ridiculous.

I don't agree.  Completely new type of control scheme.  Games wildly different.  I honestly do not recognize very many Wii games as what I consider traditional.

Whether you recognize those games as "traditional" or not has nothing to do with anything. You haven't even defined the "traditional gamer" demographic which you claim the Wii precludes. The closest you can get is the description that Microsoft and Sony use for "hardcore", or (closer) what Nintendo calls the "core" demographic - and both of those can be describing people who primarily game on the Wii.



disolitude on 14 January 2009
Khuutra said:
disolitude said:
@Khuutra

All I'm saying is that MS will go after the leader. While Nintendo will not try to eliminate the competition.

Sony tried to eliminate MS as well, and they are fighting back and forth.

Xbox 1 was a market testing console, Bill gates has said this many times.

Things they learned:
- Don't launch a year later than competition
- Get amazing 3rd party support
- Dont make it cost the most

Looking at xbox 360 launch and mistakes PS3 made...they succeded 100% on what they intended to do...but they made new mistakes (RROD).

I'm just saying that for next gen, Nintendo will be on the disecting table.

Nintendo failed in doing both of the highlighted things and still kicked the 360's ass into its teeth.

Microsoft hasn't been able to shatter the hold of the leader on a major consumer electronics sector since they headbutted Apple. They haven't made any headway into portable music, and their marketshare in the video game sector has been improved, but not by a lot.

Microsoft's reaso nfor going after Sony was to prevent the Playstation brand from becoming a PC replacement (which is what Sony was aiming for all along). Nintendo doesn't present tthat kind of threat. And Microsoft knows - just like Apple knew twenty years ago - that going after Nintendo on its own turf, even if you are successful, is going to be a violent a short-lived affair.

I agree with the second part of the statement.

About the first statement however... the fact that Wii is so different from the other 2 make the those strategies completely irrelevant for Nintendo. They would have had to completely ignore Sony, and concentrate on Nintendo in making a cheaper, less powerful gaming system with uniqe control mechanism. That would have been lunacy back in 2004 since no one knew Wii is going to get big. Also, its not really where microsofts strengths are so I agree that they really don't have the means to go after nintendo now that I think about it.

But if that was the case, Sony would have a much bigger marketshare and MS and nitnendo would be duking it out for scraps...basically last gen all over.

 



Darth Tigris on 14 January 2009
dharh said:
It's true anyway. Last gen traditional gamers (aka PS2 and XBOX owners) are primarily PS3 and X360 owners. Wii owners are either brand new gamers, nintendo fans, or non-traditional gamers. The fact is the console market has segmented right down the middle 50% wii and 50% PS3/X360. There is just not much crossover.

When this gen ends im going to own probably close to 50 PS3/X360 games and maybe 5 wii games.

I like what you're saying here.  And, for the most part, I agree. 

The Nintendo rep is saying that they're main goal was in EXPANDING the market, not competing with MS and Sony for the core market.  This is what a number of us have been saying about the Wii vs. the PS360.  This is also something that Nintendo has often stated from the very start.

Does anyone have numbers comparing how many total consoles have been sold this gen vs. last gen during a comparable amount of time?  Keeping mild population growth and higher price entry points in mind (they might cancel each other out), I think it could be quite telling as to if the market is indeed growing vs. the Wii simply taking the place of the PS2 as the popular system.

 



Khuutra on 14 January 2009
disolitude said:
Khuutra said:
disolitude said:
@Khuutra

All I'm saying is that MS will go after the leader. While Nintendo will not try to eliminate the competition.

Sony tried to eliminate MS as well, and they are fighting back and forth.

Xbox 1 was a market testing console, Bill gates has said this many times.

Things they learned:
- Don't launch a year later than competition
- Get amazing 3rd party support
- Dont make it cost the most

Looking at xbox 360 launch and mistakes PS3 made...they succeded 100% on what they intended to do...but they made new mistakes (RROD).

I'm just saying that for next gen, Nintendo will be on the disecting table.

Nintendo failed in doing both of the highlighted things and still kicked the 360's ass into its teeth.

Microsoft hasn't been able to shatter the hold of the leader on a major consumer electronics sector since they headbutted Apple. They haven't made any headway into portable music, and their marketshare in the video game sector has been improved, but not by a lot.

Microsoft's reaso nfor going after Sony was to prevent the Playstation brand from becoming a PC replacement (which is what Sony was aiming for all along). Nintendo doesn't present tthat kind of threat. And Microsoft knows - just like Apple knew twenty years ago - that going after Nintendo on its own turf, even if you are successful, is going to be a violent a short-lived affair.

I agree with the second part of the statement.

About the first statement however... the fact that Wii is so different from the other 2 make the those strategies completely irrelevant for Nintendo. They would have had to completely ignore Sony, and concentrate on Nintendo in making a cheaper, less powerful gaming system with uniqe control mechanism. That would have been lunacy back in 2004 since no one knew Wii is going to get big. Also, its not really where microsofts strengths are so I agree that they really don't have the means to go after nintendo now that I think about it.

But if that was the case, Sony would have a much bigger marketshare and MS and nitnendo would be duking it out for scraps...basically last gen all over.

I agree that if Microsoft weren't the kind of company that thinks "bigger is better" in terms of tech, they'd pose a greater threat to Nintendo in the long-term, but they are, so they don't.



dharh on 14 January 2009
Khuutra said:
dharh said:
Khuutra said:

What?

You can primarily game on the Wii and be a "traditional gamer". Don't be ridiculous.

I don't agree.  Completely new type of control scheme.  Games wildly different.  I honestly do not recognize very many Wii games as what I consider traditional.

Whether you recognize those games as "traditional" or not has nothing to do with anything. You haven't even defined the "traditional gamer" demographic which you claim the Wii precludes. The closest you can get is the description that Microsoft and Sony use for "hardcore", or (closer) what Nintendo calls the "core" demographic - and both of those can be describing people who primarily game on the Wii.

Well obviously its just my opinion and worth about as much as your opinion, which is to say whatever the going rate of our internet connections are.

I should think its also obvious that I think non-traditional games are games that employ motion control.  Also mini-games, or games casual if you will (though I don't like using that word anymore), non-game games (wii music, wii fit).

Edit: im full of all kinds of typo fail today



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