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can we just close this thread, more than half the people in here are taking the quote completely out of context. The thread is just flamebait to begin with.



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Outcast said:

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.

A serious question for you, Outcast: Do you actually want to learn what's going on, or are you just hellbent on making a fool of yourself? If it's the latter (and I suspect it is) then carry on, as you clearly don't need any help.

But in the unlikely event that it's the former, and in the even more unlikely event that you can stomach reading several hours of work by someone whose viewpoint is antithetical to your own, then go read here and here, and start using your critical thinking skills. Note that you'll have to parse through some Nintendo cheerleading, and that not everything the man says is gospel, but it will point out for you why exactly you're completely wrong. And if you have any questions, direct them to SkyRender, RolStoppable, or one of several other members who have their heads screwed on straight. But this method you're employing does nothing for you.

Again though, I doubt learning is what you're after.

 



Hey Outkast remember that woman from E3, the one everyone hated for a while, Cammie?

Well in an interview she's on record for saying, Nintendo is going for the expanded audience and that she too may fall into that group but when the interveiwer pushed it, she said in a laughing temperment: 'Of course we'd like to get rid of them too' Them being the Sony console and Microsoft console, now if only I wasn't on my PS3 then I could scrounge around for a link.

I believe it was a interview held by elgefe with her actually... or a kotaku interview.



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noname2200 said:
Outcast said:

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.

A serious question for you, Outcast: Do you actually want to learn what's going on, or are you just hellbent on making a fool of yourself? If it's the latter (and I suspect it is) then carry on, as you clearly don't need any help.

But in the unlikely event that it's the former, and in the even more unlikely event that you can stomach reading several hours of work by someone whose viewpoint is antithetical to your own, then go read here and here, and start using your critical thinking skills. Note that you'll have to parse through some Nintendo cheerleading, and that not everything the man says is gospel, but it will point out for you why exactly you're completely wrong. And if you have any questions, direct them to SkyRender, RolStoppable, or one of several other members who have their heads screwed on straight. But this method you're employing does nothing for you.

Again though, I doubt learning is what you're after.

 

Hello, noname2200. I have no idea who you are, but it seems you know me so I'll attempt to reply to your post in a way that would satisfy you.

I have nothing to learn from this Malstrom. I imagine he has a few things to learn from me, however; I'd point him in the direction of a dictionary for a start. Maelstrom.

Perhaps you think that a nobody who starts a blog on the internet holds more sway and influence over Nintendo's strategy than a high ranking employee from the company. Perhaps you think I'm wrong about taking the quote from the Nintendo employee, that they aren't competing with Sony and Microsoft, and daring to believe that that's what he actually meant. Perhaps you think some of the comments in this thread, that he meant something completely different to what he said are more valid than just quoting what he said. Perhaps you are the one that needs to do some thinking?

Who knows. 

 



Outcast said:
noname2200 said:
Outcast said:

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.

A serious question for you, Outcast: Do you actually want to learn what's going on, or are you just hellbent on making a fool of yourself? If it's the latter (and I suspect it is) then carry on, as you clearly don't need any help.

But in the unlikely event that it's the former, and in the even more unlikely event that you can stomach reading several hours of work by someone whose viewpoint is antithetical to your own, then go read here and here, and start using your critical thinking skills. Note that you'll have to parse through some Nintendo cheerleading, and that not everything the man says is gospel, but it will point out for you why exactly you're completely wrong. And if you have any questions, direct them to SkyRender, RolStoppable, or one of several other members who have their heads screwed on straight. But this method you're employing does nothing for you.

Again though, I doubt learning is what you're after.

 

Hello, noname2200. I have no idea who you are, but it seems you know me so I'll attempt to reply to your post in a way that would satisfy you.

I have nothing to learn from this Malstrom. I imagine he has a few things to learn from me, however; I'd point him in the direction of a dictionary for a start. Maelstrom.

Perhaps you think that a nobody who starts a blog on the internet holds more sway and influence over Nintendo's strategy than a high ranking employee from the company. Perhaps you think I'm wrong about taking the quote from the Nintendo employee, that they aren't competing with Sony and Microsoft, and daring to believe that that's what he actually meant. Perhaps you think some of the comments in this thread, that he meant something completely different to what he said are more valid than just quoting what he said. Perhaps you are the one that needs to do some thinking?

Who knows. 

 

You have no idea what you're talking about ... No one in Nintendo Korea has any influence in the direction of Nintendo as a company!

For the longest time Nintendo outsourced marketing and distribution in South Korea to a company which was fairly incompetent and corrupt ... From my understanding, only a couple of years ago Nintendo decided to return the work in house and the division is smaller and less important that Nintendo of Canada; which is in itself a tiny and unimportant division.



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HappySqurriel said:
Outcast said:
noname2200 said:
Outcast said:

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.

A serious question for you, Outcast: Do you actually want to learn what's going on, or are you just hellbent on making a fool of yourself? If it's the latter (and I suspect it is) then carry on, as you clearly don't need any help.

But in the unlikely event that it's the former, and in the even more unlikely event that you can stomach reading several hours of work by someone whose viewpoint is antithetical to your own, then go read here and here, and start using your critical thinking skills. Note that you'll have to parse through some Nintendo cheerleading, and that not everything the man says is gospel, but it will point out for you why exactly you're completely wrong. And if you have any questions, direct them to SkyRender, RolStoppable, or one of several other members who have their heads screwed on straight. But this method you're employing does nothing for you.

Again though, I doubt learning is what you're after.

 

Hello, noname2200. I have no idea who you are, but it seems you know me so I'll attempt to reply to your post in a way that would satisfy you.

I have nothing to learn from this Malstrom. I imagine he has a few things to learn from me, however; I'd point him in the direction of a dictionary for a start. Maelstrom.

Perhaps you think that a nobody who starts a blog on the internet holds more sway and influence over Nintendo's strategy than a high ranking employee from the company. Perhaps you think I'm wrong about taking the quote from the Nintendo employee, that they aren't competing with Sony and Microsoft, and daring to believe that that's what he actually meant. Perhaps you think some of the comments in this thread, that he meant something completely different to what he said are more valid than just quoting what he said. Perhaps you are the one that needs to do some thinking?

Who knows. 

 

You have no idea what you're talking about ... No one in Nintendo Korea has any influence in the direction of Nintendo as a company!

For the longest time Nintendo outsourced marketing and distribution in South Korea to a company which was fairly incompetent and corrupt ... From my understanding, only a couple of years ago Nintendo decided to return the work in house and the division is smaller and less important that Nintendo of Canada; which is in itself a tiny and unimportant division.

It doesn't make any difference. I'm going to believe a Nintendo employee on the payroll over an internet nobody who can't spell his name any day of the week.

 



Outcast said:
HappySqurriel said:
Outcast said:
noname2200 said:
Outcast said:

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.

A serious question for you, Outcast: Do you actually want to learn what's going on, or are you just hellbent on making a fool of yourself? If it's the latter (and I suspect it is) then carry on, as you clearly don't need any help.

But in the unlikely event that it's the former, and in the even more unlikely event that you can stomach reading several hours of work by someone whose viewpoint is antithetical to your own, then go read here and here, and start using your critical thinking skills. Note that you'll have to parse through some Nintendo cheerleading, and that not everything the man says is gospel, but it will point out for you why exactly you're completely wrong. And if you have any questions, direct them to SkyRender, RolStoppable, or one of several other members who have their heads screwed on straight. But this method you're employing does nothing for you.

Again though, I doubt learning is what you're after.

 

Hello, noname2200. I have no idea who you are, but it seems you know me so I'll attempt to reply to your post in a way that would satisfy you.

I have nothing to learn from this Malstrom. I imagine he has a few things to learn from me, however; I'd point him in the direction of a dictionary for a start. Maelstrom.

Perhaps you think that a nobody who starts a blog on the internet holds more sway and influence over Nintendo's strategy than a high ranking employee from the company. Perhaps you think I'm wrong about taking the quote from the Nintendo employee, that they aren't competing with Sony and Microsoft, and daring to believe that that's what he actually meant. Perhaps you think some of the comments in this thread, that he meant something completely different to what he said are more valid than just quoting what he said. Perhaps you are the one that needs to do some thinking?

Who knows. 

 

You have no idea what you're talking about ... No one in Nintendo Korea has any influence in the direction of Nintendo as a company!

For the longest time Nintendo outsourced marketing and distribution in South Korea to a company which was fairly incompetent and corrupt ... From my understanding, only a couple of years ago Nintendo decided to return the work in house and the division is smaller and less important that Nintendo of Canada; which is in itself a tiny and unimportant division.

It doesn't make any difference. I'm going to believe a Nintendo employee on the payroll over an internet nobody who can't spell his name any day of the week.

 

whatever, but the quote is specifically about the korean market.  It's hardly even worth talking about, 360 sold about 150k in 2 years while ps3 sold about 50k in a year.

 



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I can't believe this has extended to so many pages, this is not a new remark.

Nintendo's competition, from way back in 2004 when they started to push the DS is all forms of entertainment. Of course you can draw conclusions from the way they're doing things, yes they absolutely won but why do you think they won? They won by making the competition irrelevant.

People talk about Malstrom, but really if you don't have the stomach to endure his provocations it's best you just read the Blue Ocean Strategy and the Innovator's Dilemma. This is not speculation, it is the OFFICIAL guideline by which Nintendo has been conducting its business since 2004.

It's been mentioned countless times in meetings, interviews and PR. The explanation that the competition with Microsoft and Sony doesn't exist comes straight from the Blue Ocean playbook, however if you also read the book you'll realize it doesn't mean they are in some alternative universe. That is ignorant, uninformed and incorrect.



johnsobas said:

whatever, but the quote is specifically about the korean market.  It's hardly even worth talking about, 360 sold about 150k in 2 years while ps3 sold about 50k in a year.

Wrong again. If you read the article, the Korean market isn't mentioned until after the quote about the Wii's competition. The article begins with talk of the global recession, then the marketplace (which is global, elementary economics), then infiltration of the Korean market specifically.

 



Outcast said:
johnsobas said:

whatever, but the quote is specifically about the korean market.  It's hardly even worth talking about, 360 sold about 150k in 2 years while ps3 sold about 50k in a year.

Wrong again. If you read the article, the Korean market isn't mentioned until after the quote about the Wii's competition. The article begins with talk of the global recession, then the marketplace (which is global, elementary economics), then infiltration of the Korean market specifically.

 

Ok but i'm not gonna listen to the words of the CEO of the most irrelevent division of Nintendo.  It would be equivilent to Sony Mexico (don't know if it exists) making a story about how much they will dominate.  It's just a joke.

 



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