i lol'd @ the title, its ass backwards. :P

BTFeather55 said: Shanobi said: BTFeather55 said: Even if Nintendo had nothing to do with the fact that there were shortages of the Wii during Christmas '06 and Christmas '07 (I suspect they had more to do with it in '07 than '06), a shortage of Wiis on the market during those times would have heightened demand for the Wii because it is a basic psychological trait of humans that they tend to want what they can't have. And anybody that saw how sales bloomed for the 360 during Christmas '05 when 360s were going for $3,000.00 on ebay would have been tempted to try to market their console in much the same way. Now, Sony didn't do that because they were thinking it's the Plystation 3, it well sell megatons. Nintendo might not have had anything to do with it, it could have been clerks at Game Stores getting Wii's buying them with their company discounts then turning around and selling them for two to three times what they paid for them on ebay, the perceived shortage combined with press reports still resulted in heightened demand for the console. Christmas '08 sales can be explained by what people wanted finally being available in stores in larger amounts, but this could also lead to a cooling off period for Wii sales unless more must have games are soon released. If the Wii's Christmas '09 lineup of games is perceived to be as weak as its Christmas '08 lineup, then the Wii won't sell as many consoles next holiday season as it did this past one.     The whole "there was a shortage that caused demand" arguement never works. Here is my answer to that:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwiE0S0x314             Without the heightened demand, the Wii would have just been a fad.  As I said earlier, it is a basic human psychological trait that humans want what they can't easily have.  You show one Youtube video of folks wanting to check out the Wii at E3 2006 but hadn't Nintendo been heightening demand for it before then by releasing very little information about it in comparison to the PS3 and 360 at E3 2005 for example, then calling it The Revolution making people think it was a super system of some sort then changing the name to the more curious Wii?   I can name at least one billion dollar industry that soley exists on the principle of showing people what they want yet can't have.  Most of its products are made in the Simi (sp?) Valley.

 

 

Keep telling yourself that.

 

It tells me that you think very highly of yourself, and not so much of others. Everybody I know that bought a Wii, did so after playing mine.

 

Seriously, prove they made a shortage. You can't. The numbers don't add up. 

And did the demand come first, or after? Because it seems those systems were flying off of the shelf from day one. Even when the system was in shortage, they were turning out more almost a million systems a month. When has this industry seen that kind of demand? Are you going to tell me that they knew, before the system launched, that it would be selling greater than anything we've ever seen in gaming, and that in their clairvoyance, they decided that the record production per month they were manufacturing was not going to be enough?

 

But hey, if you still want to cling to "fad" arguements, then by all means do so. It makes you look silly, though. Also, why isn't it a fad to own a 360, then? Is it not "cool" to own a 360, if you're hardcore?

 

Yeah, Nintendo is creating an artificial demand by production only slightly more than 2 millions Wii's monthly. How dare them!

BTFeather55 said: Shanobi said: BTFeather55 said: Even if Nintendo had nothing to do with the fact that there were shortages of the Wii during Christmas '06 and Christmas '07 (I suspect they had more to do with it in '07 than '06), a shortage of Wiis on the market during those times would have heightened demand for the Wii because it is a basic psychological trait of humans that they tend to want what they can't have. And anybody that saw how sales bloomed for the 360 during Christmas '05 when 360s were going for $3,000.00 on ebay would have been tempted to try to market their console in much the same way. Now, Sony didn't do that because they were thinking it's the Plystation 3, it well sell megatons. Nintendo might not have had anything to do with it, it could have been clerks at Game Stores getting Wii's buying them with their company discounts then turning around and selling them for two to three times what they paid for them on ebay, the perceived shortage combined with press reports still resulted in heightened demand for the console. Christmas '08 sales can be explained by what people wanted finally being available in stores in larger amounts, but this could also lead to a cooling off period for Wii sales unless more must have games are soon released. If the Wii's Christmas '09 lineup of games is perceived to be as weak as its Christmas '08 lineup, then the Wii won't sell as many consoles next holiday season as it did this past one.     The whole "there was a shortage that caused demand" arguement never works. Here is my answer to that:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwiE0S0x314             Without the heightened demand, the Wii would have just been a fad.  As I said earlier, it is a basic human psychological trait that humans want what they can't easily have.  You show one Youtube video of folks wanting to check out the Wii at E3 2006 but hadn't Nintendo been heightening demand for it before then by releasing very little information about it in comparison to the PS3 and 360 at E3 2005 for example, then calling it The Revolution making people think it was a super system of some sort then changing the name to the more curious Wii?   I can name at least one billion dollar industry that soley exists on the principle of showing people what they want yet can't have.  Most of its products are made in the Simi (sp?) Valley.

 

I can't think of a worse argument.  Nintendo wants to sell a Wii to everyone who wants one -- they just don't want to crank out so much supply that Wiis are rotting in stores and warehouses.  How much supply you produce, especially prior to a major product launch, is an incredibly complicated formula that many people with several fancy degrees can miss a step on.

Nobody seriously expected the level of success that the Wii's enjoying, or even if they hoped for it, no one would've been foolish enough to gamble on it by cranking production up to the level it would've had to have been to sell to every wanting customer.  Supply was limited (& perhaps continues to be) for as long as it was, because Nintendo is conservative by nature.  It's smart for a business to not change radically, but to observe trends over time, conduct research, and then make strategic moves; it keeps the doors open.  You adjust production (which entails a million factors) on a major line slowly, not on a whim, and it requires shifting resources, budgeting, securing new arrangements with suppliers, etc., etc., etc.

As for limited supply somehow increasing demand through some sort of forbidden fruit effect, or something, you're putting too much psych 101 into this.  I think it's been pretty well documented that Nintendo's early lack of supply led to people buying other systems as substitutes; in a lot of households, that's a permanently lost sale.  And for the Wii, there's also a ripple effect because so much of the actual hype has taken place by word-of-mouth, as neighbors and friends see and play Wii Sports, etc.  People generally buy products based on percieved value--what it will make better in their life--not on esoterica like "it's sold out, that means it must be really cool."  If you're interested in how limited supply affected the Wii, compare this holiday's sales with those of last year.  They could've had a much bigger Christmas last year, which might have meant a different pattern of 3rd party support over 2008, *and* through word-of-mouth, maybe even a bigger holiday this year, sales-wise.

Finally, porn is produced mainly in the San Fernando Valley, not Simi.  Simi is a small place, mostly known for being a safe place to live due to a high amount of retired police officers.  It's the SFV that's the capital of the porn industry.

in my opinion they were about equal, but the only Ps3 title that really got me addicted is Little Big Planet!!

such a fantastic game, i hope it sells a lot

It could be that I'm wrong and the general public was just wanting utilitarian and mundane and rather average products like Wii Sports and Wii Fit in huge numbers. Maybe sports has a bigger appeal with people than I think as someone that has spent a large part of my life abstaining from participating in physical activities.

BTFeather55 said: It could be that I'm wrong and the general public was just wanting utilitarian and mundane and rather average products like Wii Sports and Wii Fit in huge numbers. Maybe sports has a bigger appeal with people than I think as someone that has spent a large part of my life abstaining from participating in physical activities.

 

This proves once and for all that if you use words like utilitarian that you are more intelligent than other people.  I'm not sure though.  I think that I'll go for a jog now.

Ah the myth that the console only sells as well as the quality of the current games coming out for it.

You Sony discontents say again and the again that the Wii is selling largely to casuals, not the kind of gamers that would buy the games on other consoles, so where is the mystery here? Also, you credit the price drop as the sole reason the 360 is outselling the PS3 yet you can't make the same correlation between the price gap between the PS3 and Wii? Aren't you happy with the games that are coming to the PS3? Can't you enjoy your toy without it getting the best sales?

No matter how many awesome games a console gets, this thread is proof what fans can't be happy until their console is the best selling.

Silly thread... i mean, Wii has a great library, as newcomers are sure to get Wii Sports, and then may choose between Galaxy, Mario Kart, Brawl, Wii Fit, and easily 50 other good games in a nice variety of styles, and with a control method they won't find anywhere else... and i don't mention all the VC classics...

Newcomers are the ones creatin' HUGE legs for most of the Wii's best titles, they don't care about the last holiday line-up, they care about the Wii as a whole, as something unique and fun to play...

Sure, if you're "hardcore", there's a lack of Action/Adventure, RPGs and FPS, but it's not Wii's fault, it's the 3rd parties who had no faith in Wii's success and no AAA Wii projects... all their money was on PS360 games, that's all there is to say about it...

In a near future, things will change anyway, and i'm sure two years from now, every type of player out there will find many reasons to buy a Wii (as a first or as a second console, it won't matter anymore), and all these endless arguments will (thankfully) become obsolete...

Till then, everyone should play his favorite games, and be happy that each console is viable and offers something great and something different: the more diversity, the best... each person has different tastes, and who are we to say only the games we like are supposed to be made, and nothing else?

At my youth group, we almost always play the Wii's 'casual' games. We play Mario and Sonic at the olympics, Wii sports, mario kart, things like that.. 8 of us can be sitting there having an awesome time, it really is great fun... somehow it just create an awesome atmosphere with people laughing, yelling etc.

Later on the guys (me inckluded) tend to pull out a shooter to play. All the girls say 'ugh, whatever' and leave to go play cards, and we are left playing whatever shooter it may be... likely that it is a higher rated game then the ones i mentioned before. It is still fun but is nowhere near as loud, exciting, whatever then playing the other games.

metacritc rating does not always equal fun. I would rather play Mario and Sonic at the olympics then any 'AAA' ps360 shooter whenever im with a group.

PS3 may have the best line up for teenage/young adult males who (often) have no friends to play with, and play on their own.

Wii has the best line up for more people.

 

At OP: If you cant figure it out, i challenge you to find a group of friends - girls included - not nerds like us who know everything about all the big games, and whatever - and see whether you have more fun playing, for example, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics or Call of Duty. Maybe then you will figure it out.