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BengaBenga said:
Dude, your Mario Kart rants are completely wrong.

It has frigging online! What the f are you saying? It's the best MK since the SNES game. More characters, more vehicles (motorbikes), more tracks than in any MK before and you can have flawless 12 player online experience.

 

 nice comparing the original that came out nearly 17 years ago.

can I compare the original from the new one too?  because Ninty fanboys here usually report people not agreeing with thier specific argument? oh hell I'll just do it.

The Original Mario Kart on the Snes had better difficult Tracks. Simply it makes MkWii Wii Courses look like a Ma Ma's Boy.

2. one of the best feature about MkSnes was if you place 5th to 8th you have to retry the course agian, making casuals players work harder to advance to the next course.

3. Items. MkWii and the previous installment went overboard thus ruining all focus into pure racing mk skills. In MkSnes no bullets, no gold mushroom,no big mushroom, no blue shells, no pows. thier is thunder but it does not effect like the one from the Wii version.

4. if you hold down y + a on the character selection you will see your character shrink, this will make the game a lot more difficult for the hardcore, wow i miss this one.

5. flat penal items it would have been great if Nintendo stick with this. Once it turns red that penal is done, if you played the original those item penals were limited too.

IMO the Snes version was the best for me, but i can see why casuals like MKwii better.

   



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I agree MK Wii isn't that great. It's odd as the online and forum reaction has been to declare it the best MK game ever but every gamer I know in real life has felt let down by it and considers it one of the weakest. Some of the rehashed tracks have been completely butchered, particularly the N64 ones. Butchering classic gaming memories isn't the best way to get people to enjoy it.

I haven't played Animal Crossing so I can't comment on that.



GLoRySoGLoRy said:
BengaBenga said:
Dude, your Mario Kart rants are completely wrong.

It has frigging online! What the f are you saying? It's the best MK since the SNES game. More characters, more vehicles (motorbikes), more tracks than in any MK before and you can have flawless 12 player online experience.

 

 nice comparing the original that came out nearly 17 years ago.

can I compare the original from the new one too?  because Ninty fanboys here usually report people not agreeing with thier specific argument? oh hell I'll just do it.

The Original Mario Kart on the Snes had better difficult Tracks. Simply it makes MkWii Wii Courses look like a Ma Ma's Boy.

2. one of the best feature about MkSnes was if you place 5th to 8th you have to retry the course agian, making casuals players work harder to advance to the next course.

3. Items. MkWii and the previous installment went overboard thus ruining all focus into pure racing mk skills. In MkSnes no bullets, no gold mushroom,no big mushroom, no blue shells, no pows. thier is thunder but it does not effect like the one from the Wii version.

4. if you hold down y + a on the character selection you will see your character shrink, this will make the game a lot more difficult for the hardcore, wow i miss this one.

5. flat penal items it would have been great if Nintendo stick with this. Once it turns red that penal is done, if you played the original those item penals were limited too.

IMO the Snes version was the best for me, but i can see why casuals like MKwii better.

 

And your point is? All the features you name weren't in the N64 nor the GC version. Are those casual games as well? MK has always appealed to everyone. Like I said, MKWii is the best MK SINCE the SNES version, but apperantly for you that's not good enough, for the simple reason you don't want it to be good enough.

I can name dozens of games that are much simpler than games from the SNES era. Almost all of the games from the last 10 years are much more casual friendly than the average NES/SNES game. I guess casual gaming really started with the PS1 then?

Btw, if you really want a hardcore challenge try beating TWROo or Rol in an online match, or beating their timetrial times. Or is tmetrialling with online leaderboards really casual, simply because it's on Wii.

 



Why does 1 game make you lose confidence in an entire company? Nintendo has released 32 Wii games. You named the 1 game, that is part of probably their most casual directed series EVER. The only real competition to that is the "Brain Training" series.

 

So why did you buy it?

1. Research would make you find that it wasn't so different from the other titles.

2. It appears you didn't really like the previous titles a lot, as it being pretty equal made it a complete crap game.

3. If you watch TV, you would have seen that the advertisements do not have any men in them (only women). It being casual cannot shock you.

4. You played the previous series, but were still shocked by it being casual.

 

Okay, and to reply to some of the replies.

 

 

Nintendo has ALWAYS been casual. You can either call them loyal to their fans, and a company that changes their titles into what their majority wants, or you can call them stupid people who don't stick to their 15% market share.

 

You cannot make everyone happy. Nintendo tries this, and releases a few titles that are obviously directed at the classic-gamer crowd, but as those titles normally end in the 500-1500K range, that simply isn't as profitable as making games like Mario Kart Wii, which appeals to everyone.

 

Nintendo have always been casual, but they have also changed. They have changed because their customers have changed. They have followed the main userbase.

 

Another way to look at it.

 

In the 2D eras, an easy game would lead to a 3 hour long game. You couldn't make this, as nobody would pay 50 dollars for 3 hours.

If you made a hard game, people would die a lot, and the 3 hour long game would last for 15 hours. Definitely something you can pay for.

 

Still, I'm not certain the average consumer wouldn't have prefered longer, easier games (but that was impossible to make)

 

With the Ps1/N64, this changed. Games became longer, and easier. Nintendo games, however, stuck more to the "hard & short = equally long as Ps1", because the cartridge size was so small. 

It continued, but accelerated even faster now, with the Ps2.

And believe it or not, the Ps3/X360 games are generally about as hard as the Ps2 games, if not even easier.

So the Wii has simply skipped a generation in the "making games easier" trend. Whether MS/ony will make their games easier next gen, is now hard to tell. One thing is certain though - if the Wii hadn't been here, that would have happened.

 

 

On another note, I feel that a lot of the complains about the Wii being casual are just stupid.

You can make almost all the Nintendo games exactly as hard as you want (as in, harder than it would seem at first glance).

 

Can you finish The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, without using your shield (letting it burn)?

Can you beat people in Mario Kart Wii, using the wheel only?

Can you beat Super Mario Galaxy, by having the Nunchuck in the right hand and Wiimote in the left (if you're right handed opposite way around otherwise).

 

And, then there's the simply hard games, which match (and normally beat) the difficulty of most the Ps360 games.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - hard game, cannot be doubted. Also lots of ways to make it harder.

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - arguably the hardest FE ever (and I've played FE4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10). Being the hardest FE ever says A LOT.

Wario Land: Shake it - semi old school difficulty.

Zack & Wiki - most people find it damn hard.

Batallion Wars 2 - Haven't played it myself, but Intelligent Systems made it - and they do not make easy things.

 

And the hard, but appealed to "casual" games.

Wii Fit - It doesn't get much harder than fysical achievements really.

Big Brain Academy - Maybe the closest thing you'll get to being as hard as fysical achievements.

Trauma Center - These are hard. Lots of small changes you can do to make them tougher.

Wii Sports - Sort of belongs here.

 

 

And in final, there's

Super Mario Galaxy

Super Paper Mario

 

Which aren't really hard games, and do not have a lot of ways to make them harder. Still, they have a decent difficulty.



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Animal Crossing Let's go to the city is disappointing, there is so much they could have done with it and instead they've almost given us a port of the DS version.
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im really dissapinted with nintendo.

i enjoyed the nes and snes and bought the n64 1st. had great times, also on gamecube phantasy star online was excellent.

but on wii? well it has a jibberishly dire games cataogue. the only games that have interested me that i have aquired during wii`s life is..........

  • zelda
  • galaxy (still own and is excellent)
  • mario kart (just bought and is superb)
  • korroropia
  • endless ocean
  • metroid
  • paper mario

and dl titles

  • mario world snes
  • mystical ninja snes
  • bubble bobble nes
  • art of fighting snk

and thats it^ theres simply nothing on the wii, im interested in upcoming mad gear and apart from that id say theres nothing else good to play.

as ive said before im not a gamer who get chufties when one is selling more than other, as thats something i cant play. but games that i can play are simply not availiable on wi.

hopefully nintendo will release more proper games, im hoping games like conduit turn out good, the new tales looks ok but i hear its mainly a re hashed gamecube game.

nintendo have done really well finacially but that is not of my concern.

rant over, but a constructive rant.



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Overly dramatic fan is being overly dramatic.

Seriously, is this the first time Nintendo "burned" you with something?They've had bigger fuck ups than the flying blue turtle shell (goddamn, who decided to give it WINGS?) and a recycled AC.

I'm looking forward to the next Nintendo epix. Until they arrive, I'll be playing Brawl (Smash never gets old if you have friends in your area).



BengaBenga said:
GLoRySoGLoRy said:
BengaBenga said:
Dude, your Mario Kart rants are completely wrong.

It has frigging online! What the f are you saying? It's the best MK since the SNES game. More characters, more vehicles (motorbikes), more tracks than in any MK before and you can have flawless 12 player online experience.

 

 nice comparing the original that came out nearly 17 years ago.

can I compare the original from the new one too?  because Ninty fanboys here usually report people not agreeing with thier specific argument? oh hell I'll just do it.

The Original Mario Kart on the Snes had better difficult Tracks. Simply it makes MkWii Wii Courses look like a Ma Ma's Boy.

2. one of the best feature about MkSnes was if you place 5th to 8th you have to retry the course agian, making casuals players work harder to advance to the next course.

3. Items. MkWii and the previous installment went overboard thus ruining all focus into pure racing mk skills. In MkSnes no bullets, no gold mushroom,no big mushroom, no blue shells, no pows. thier is thunder but it does not effect like the one from the Wii version.

4. if you hold down y + a on the character selection you will see your character shrink, this will make the game a lot more difficult for the hardcore, wow i miss this one.

5. flat penal items it would have been great if Nintendo stick with this. Once it turns red that penal is done, if you played the original those item penals were limited too.

IMO the Snes version was the best for me, but i can see why casuals like MKwii better.

 

And your point is? All the features you name weren't in the N64 nor the GC version. Are those casual games as well? MK has always appealed to everyone. Like I said, MKWii is the best MK SINCE the SNES version, but apperantly for you that's not good enough, for the simple reason you don't want it to be good enough.

I can name dozens of games that are much simpler than games from the SNES era. Almost all of the games from the last 10 years are much more casual friendly than the average NES/SNES game. I guess casual gaming really started with the PS1 then?

Btw, if you really want a hardcore challenge try beating TWROo or Rol in an online match, or beating their timetrial times. Or is tmetrialling with online leaderboards really casual, simply because it's on Wii.

 

 

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kn said:

I love Nintendo games, but I have just been burned for the last time. I was somewhat disappointed with MK Wii as I didn't feel like there was much new to the game. I felt like Nintendo milked the series for a quick buck. Super Mario Galaxy on the other hand was brilliant.

Today, I bought Animal Crossing: City Folk. I was dumbfounded as the game loaded. The graphics are the same. Sound effects are largely borrowed from the first series. Pretty much everything is a just a port from the 'cube version with very little innovation. The graphics are pretty much identical to the gamecube version... There is so little new here that one who is not well versed in Animal Crossing could easily watch a player for 20 minutes and think they were watching the gamecube version.

Shame on Nintendo for not really pushing the Wii hardware and adding some signficant improvement to the series. I've been burned for the Last time. I've got all three consoles and will, from this point forward, focus 100% of my attention on the 360 and PS3. Nintendo, until now, has been my favorite overall Video Game company because of the quality of their titles. Today, they lost a huge fan. Permanently.

 

It's Mario Kart. Why would they change a game that has been awesome for so long? They added bikes, tricks, a few new items, online play and a crap load of new characters. That's enough new to the game for me.

They did change the battle system and we see how that turned out.

What more would you like them to do?



Strangely enough, I got over the blue shells. Granted they are still sorta annoying...

Also, am I the only one that likes the Wii Wheel?