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welshbloke on 22 December 2008

If current 360 died I would probably buy an arcade whilst I waited for the original to be returned assuming it was a RROD incident.

Why? I was already thinking of getting a second console due to the low price. I am lucky enough to possess to HD ready TV's. So all this would do is trigger me to purchase early.

The only thing I get out of your post here is a kid may or may not of bothered to replace his Xbox which he may or may not of been able to replace under warranty. You ever hear of clutching at straws.

If Microsoft have consumers who would rather purchase another console than get it repaired then Microsoft have got more going for them than I give them credit for. If what is more likely he loves his Xbox so much he cannot live or sleep at night (probably because he used it to warm his room up) then the sale will go into the melting pot either via Ebay a friend or simply a second console.

Of course if your more expensive console was to fail then I suspect this would be a more unlikely outcome although I do know at least 2 people who own a PS3 because it came free with the Telly and the TV purchases did not want it. How does that affect the numbers I wonder?... I know I will start another thread on that very topic.



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welshbloke on 22 December 2008
forevercloud3000 said:
numonex said:

XBox 360 clearly sells more than PS3. XBox 360 has a much larger games library(No it doesnt it only has 50 or so games more then the PS3 when the total is like 350 to 300,THe PS3 has more games rated above  8.5 anyway, crap games don't even sell), better online service with a lot more subscribers than PSN(Debatable, seeing as consumers like me prefer free over slight inhancements. And in case you havent heard, both have 15million subscribers), Live has more exclusive content(This is true). PS3 hardware sales are more likely to be inflated(Why would this be exactly?). PS3 does not sell very well at all due to its ridiculous inflated price tag(INFLATED?! More like a super bargain seeing as the tech inside would cost you a quick 800 at the least anywhere else. THe 360 is a DEFLATED price with underlining fees such as 50 bucks for live a year, buying rechargable batterieswhich are at least 40, 100 dollar wifi adaptor,etc). PS3 game sales as a whole have been low in comparison to XBox 360 game sales.(Tomb Raider sold better on PS3 then 360, GTA sold better on 360, DMC4 sold better on PS3, it goes back and forth.)

 

Your whole arguement is rediculous!

360 Has the larger games library - Tick (According to Metacritic the 360 has 17 games scoring 90+ compared to 9)

360 has the better online service - Tick

360 has the most subscribers - Tie (Although one is a partially paid for service)

PS3 is struggling because of price - If I believe the price cut stories then this is indeed an issue.

PS3 game sales have been lower - Tick (Obviously the games need to be on both platforms and the key point here was "on the whole")

Whereas I think the original post had an element of flamebait your response and basis that the whole aguement rediculous does not stack up. Sorry bud.

 

 



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forevercloud3000 on 22 December 2008

Did anyone ever think....

If you buy a 360 3 times due to it's failure that you could have bought a PS3 once with
-a likely 0 failure rate
-around the same quotient of games seeing that most games are MP now.
-Free online instead of subscribing
-A bluRay player

Wow! I just realized how stupid our society is........I feel sick!



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 on 22 December 2008
welshbloke said:

360 Has the larger games library - Tick (According to Metacritic the 360 has 17 games scoring 90+ compared to 9)

360 has the better online service - Tick

360 has the most subscribers - Tie (Although one is a partially paid for service)

PS3 is struggling because of price - If I believe the price cut stories then this is indeed an issue.

PS3 game sales have been lower - Tick (Obviously the games need to be on both platforms and the key point here was "on the whole")

Whereas I think the original post had an element of flamebait your response and basis that the whole aguement rediculous does not stack up. Sorry bud.

 

 

Are you refering to the same Metacritic that refuses to post the 100+ sites that gave MGS4 and LBP 10/10s but was quick to scavenge up their lowest scores? The one that seems to let obviously conflicted sites have reviews for all systems such as Variety which had proven to be a direct subsidary of MS? Yea......right!

Scratch!

Like I said, same number of subscribers, with the PS3 having a smaller fanbase no doubt!

Scratch!

Better online Service, Matter of opinion, seeing as they have the same number of subscribers so the same amount of people prefer them both.

Scratch!

NO, PS3 game sales have not been generally lower. SOme sell better on 360, some on PS3. Some sell rigbht on par. Some only sold better on one system then the other becuase they were drawn to one rather then the other with Exclusive content (COD4 and WaW, as well as GTAIV) And even then it is not by that big of a margin.

Scratch!

And I figured it was flaimbait...still just as rediculous as it was not needed nor wanted.

Scratch!

DING!!

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MonstaMack on 22 December 2008

I think with past sales and MS' three year RROD warranty this was less of a issue.
Now that the Arcade is $199 and MS wants $100 just to repair your 360 and give it a few more months of warranty (It's either 3 months or a year, I forget which) some people will opt to buy a new system and sell their refurb and/or RROD console.

I sold my refurb core unit from launch with the HD, and bought a falcon elite with cash back - i only ended up spending about $150ish for a new 120gig HD (versus 20 gig), new system with three year warranty, black finish and a extra wireless controller along with two free games (Marvel UA and Forza 2) so it was a good deal for me.

Now, if MS dropped a Vahalla Elite for $200 and I could sell this system for $150 I would probably "upgrade" again for $50 and get another 3 year warranty, which would be cheaper then sending it off for repair for $100. Granted that's in three years so I don't know what the repair costs will be by then, or if it will be worth it if the next box is backwards.



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Seece on 22 December 2008

In the end would it matter, a console sold is a console sold.



 

mrstickball on 22 December 2008
forevercloud3000 said:
numonex said:

XBox 360 clearly sells more than PS3. XBox 360 has a much larger games library(No it doesnt it only has 50 or so games more then the PS3 when the total is like 350 to 300,THe PS3 has more games rated above  8.5 anyway, crap games don't even sell), better online service with a lot more subscribers than PSN(Debatable, seeing as consumers like me prefer free over slight inhancements. And in case you havent heard, both have 15million subscribers), Live has more exclusive content(This is true). PS3 hardware sales are more likely to be inflated(Why would this be exactly?). PS3 does not sell very well at all due to its ridiculous inflated price tag(INFLATED?! More like a super bargain seeing as the tech inside would cost you a quick 800 at the least anywhere else. THe 360 is a DEFLATED price with underlining fees such as 50 bucks for live a year, buying rechargable batterieswhich are at least 40, 100 dollar wifi adaptor,etc). PS3 game sales as a whole have been low in comparison to XBox 360 game sales.(Tomb Raider sold better on PS3 then 360, GTA sold better on 360, DMC4 sold better on PS3, it goes back and forth.)

Lets see:

(No it doesnt it only has 50 or so games more then the PS3 when the total is like 350 to 300,THe PS3 has more games rated above  8.5 anyway, crap games don't even sell)

According to GameRankings.com, the following argument can be made:

  • The X360 has more games rated above 8.0 (122 to 69) - Which is a 76% greater volume of 8.0+ games.
  • The X360 has more games rated above 8.5 (53 tp 34) - Which is a 56% greater volume of 8.5+ games.
  • 'Crap Games' have a higher likelyhood of selling better on the X360. Crap game 'Quantum of Solace' sold an extra 150,000 units on the X360 according to VGC - 44% higher.

(Debatable, seeing as consumers like me prefer free over slight inhancements. And in case you havent heard, both have 15million subscribers)

Difference is that the X360 has 15 million paid subscribers for the X360 alone, whereas PSN has 15 million unpaid subscribers between 2 devices - the PS3 and PSP.

The 360 is a DEFLATED price with underlining fees such as 50 bucks for live a year, buying rechargable batterieswhich are at least 40, 100 dollar wifi adaptor,etc

Rechargable batteries (the official ones) are $20 USD. Offbrands are $20 for 2. The X360 can use any Wifi adaptor, so $30 works just as well as $100.

(Tomb Raider sold better on PS3 then 360, GTA sold better on 360, DMC4 sold better on PS3, it goes back and forth.)

Although it's true that TR:U and DMC sold better on the PS3, saying that 'it goes back and forth' is hardly an accurate statement:

1
Call of Duty: World at War
Activision 5 450,602 3,149,887
1
Call of Duty: World at War
Activision 5 265,621 1,790,905

Advantage: 360 by 1.3 million units

8
Prince of Persia
Ubisoft 2 167,706 356,906
4
Prince of Persia
Ubisoft 2 134,382 276,216

Advantage: 360 by 75000 units

10
Need for Speed: Undercover
Electronic Arts 4 143,261 620,060
5
Need for Speed: Undercover
Electronic Arts 4 126,607 581,138

Advantage: 360 by 40,000 units

6
Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision 7 198,069 981,683
6
Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision 7 108,860 567,312

Advantage: 360 by 430,000 units

7
Fallout 3
Bethesda Softworks 7 169,640 1,435,271
7
Fallout 3
Bethesda Softworks 7 106,872 803,947

Advantage: 360 by 635,000 units

8
PES 2009: Pro Evolution Soccer
Konami 9 97,401 1,340,427
44
PES 2009: Pro Evolution Soccer
Konami 9 49,006 617,272

Advantage: PS3 by 740,000 units

11
Madden NFL 09
Electronic Arts 18 132,847 1,688,518
10
Madden NFL 09
Electronic Arts 18 96,543 1,125,678

Advantage: 360 by 550,000 units

13
FIFA 09
Electronic Arts 11 80,504 1,450,745
34
FIFA 09
Electronic Arts 11 65,682 1,231,526

Advantage: PS3 by 220,000 units

14
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Eidos Interactive 4 76,374 419,643
30
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Eidos Interactive 4 70,503 314,730

Advantage: PS3 by 105,000 units

27
Grand Theft Auto IV
Take 2 33 75,392 6,450,074
15
Grand Theft Auto IV
Take 2 33 74,987 5,107,417

Advantage: 360 by 1,350,000 units

18
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2009
THQ 6 88,531 488,815
16
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2009
THQ 6 71,227 395,661

Advantage: 360 by 90,000 units

15
Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe
Midway 4 113,547 430,374
17
Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe
Midway 4 67,459 297,889

Advantage: 360 by 130,000 units

26
Sonic Unleashed
Sega 3 76,015 174,519
19
Sonic Unleashed
Sega 3 66,876 106,243

Advantage: 360 by 70,000 units

31
Midnight Club: Los Angeles
Take 2 8 70,318 552,664
20
Midnight Club: Los Angeles
Take 2 8 60,929 485,672

Advantage: 360 by 65,000 units

14
Far Cry 2
Ubisoft 8 126,388 805,085
21
Far Cry 2
Ubisoft 8 57,485 546,527

Advantage: 360 by 260,000 units

33
Mirror's Edge
Electronic Arts 5 67,033 331,070
22
Mirror's Edge
Electronic Arts 5 54,693 244,758

Advantage: 360 by 90,000 units

17
Shaun White Snowboarding
Ubisoft 5 93,458 312,863
23
Shaun White Snowboarding
Ubisoft 5 53,662 221,099

Advantage: 360 by 90,000 units

16
Rock Band 2
Electronic Arts 13 105,565 1,013,687
24
Rock Band 2
Electronic Arts 8 52,565 337,374

Advantage: 360 by 670,000 units

21
Quantum of Solace
Activision 7 83,390 509,853
25
Quantum of Solace
Activision 7 52,467 351,837

Advantage: 360 by 150,000 units

Total Advantage of PS3 Top-25 games: Xbox 360 by 16 to 3.

And for the record, I pulled PS3 top-25 games which skews the list in favor of the Playstation 3. So I think that we can unequivocaly say that the X360 is the better software seller with it's 433% advantage over Playstation 3 for selling more software on any given game.



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magik10 on 22 December 2008

wow. Thanks for taking the time to provide such ownage mrstickball.



TheBigFatJ on 22 December 2008
Cypher1980 said:
Would maybe affect 1 percent total sales MAX. Probably much less.

Doesnt make one jot of difference......

 

How did you possibly come up with that number? If the ceiling was the number of RROD sales, then it would affect 50% of the sales max at first, then 66% of the sales, then 75% of the sales as the new replacement consoles are also prone to RROD.  I mean, if we're going to come up with a scientific way to generation the ceiling on how many people this can affect.

However, even if the 360 does have a high "I bought a replacement console" rate, that doesn't really matter because the attatch ratio, even considering the replacement consoles, is remarkably high.

I bought 2600mAh AA rechargables for my stuff for about $1 per battery.  I have about 50 such rechargeables and I use them for all kinds of things (including my son's toys).  If you think you have to buy the official pack, which doesn't even last nearly as long and isn't as convenient to charge, for $20, then you aren't looking for deals.

AA batteries are more convenient.  I have a constant set of charged batteries and "need to be charged" batteries that I put in my 8 and 4 battery chargers as they die.  My 360 controllers and Wii controllers last a really, really long time on these batteries.  Much longer than the packs.



drpunk on 22 December 2008
mrstickball said:

Difference is that the X360 has 15 million paid subscribers for the X360 alone, whereas PSN has 15 million unpaid subscribers between 2 devices - the PS3 and PSP.

I believe the 15 million includes gold and silver accounts.