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Khuutra on 05 December 2008

FISHYJOE I AM SO SORRY

I SHOULD NOT HAVE DISAGREED WITH YOU



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SaviorX on 05 December 2008
BMaker11 said:
Khuutra said:
BMaker11 said:
SaviorX said:

"Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Pokemon, all those games are rehashes"

 

That is the sentiment of some gamers which I have absolutely no idea of understanding. Can somebody please explain to me why someone would say this sober?

Because they've been around forever and need to go. I was playing Mario when I was 4.....16 years later I shouldn't still have to be subjected to the same game.

We always here about how every new FPS is a "generic shooter" or has a "been there done that" feel. So then why isn't Nintendo being criticized? They continually whore out their franchises over and over and over and over and over...

 

 

...and over and over again. And it's funny that it's mostly Nintendo fans bashing most other games because of a lack of "innovation" when they've been playing essentially the same Pokemon game for 11 years

/rant over

...Tell me how, exactly, you're being subjected to these games.

Really.

Go ahead.

After I posted that, I knew that out of everything, that was the one thing someone was going to highlight lol.

Anyway, in the context I was using, if Nintendo wants me (another consumer) to by their product, I shouldn't still, after 15 years, expect a new Mario to still be the "next big thing" for the console. By saying that I'm "subjected" to it, I mean that if I were to purchase a Wii right now, Mario or Zelda is still, somehow after so long, a "must have" for the system. Come up with something new for a change. I expect more from the 1st party....if you want to talk about 3rd parties, that's a completely different story, even though the support from them for the Wii is dismal (yes dismal. Spin it however you want and say that the Wii sells the most 3rd party software..yeah, most of them the caliber of  "Game Party" or "Carnival Games")  I'm sorry, but I want to say that Nintendo is the LEAST innovative company out of the big 3 because they, after being in the business for over 20 years are still using Mario and the like as their big seller. I don't care about the Wii remote either. I can replicate tennis in Wii Sports by pressing X or A on the PS3 or 360 in Virtua Tennis, so even in that sense, Ninty isn't innovative.

I'll by a Nintendo console again (my last one was the N64..when I was 10) when they get more 3rd party support (and I mean the likes of MGS4 or even Street Fighter..uhh 4 lol (we've gotten a lot of 4's this gen, haven't we?) ) and don't shove anything with Mario in it down my throat.

And on a final note, no, No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki aren't going to make me think "Oh my! The Wii is a PREMIUM gaming console". You need more than that, and on a consistent basis

 

I see what you mean (I think). You want new 1st party games to start receiving the top spot. For example, if the "Wii 2" came out in 2012, you'd want to see "Cosmic Walker" or "Dynamic Slash" as the titles getting some attention.

 



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mike_intellivision on 05 December 2008
BMaker11 said:
Khuutra said:
So... you don't see Mario Galaxy as an intrinsically different experience from, say, Super Mario World or Super Mario Bros. 3?

Or Zelda as being radically changed by the introduction of the third dimension?

Not going to ague Pokemon, there's not much that can be argued there unless you're into the metagame, and I'm going to guess that you're not that hardcore about RPGs.

No I don't because at the end of the day, you're still stepping on goombas and beating Bowser in order to save Princess Peach or in Zelda's case, going around as Link through Hyrule in order to save Zelda from Ganon.

And I love RPGs

 

BMaker

Using your same arguement - once you have played one FPS, you have played them all.

At least there are plot changes and twists and occassional new characters in the Mario games.

The top FPS games of this generations continue to be shooters with the same stories (fight space aliens who keep coming back or fight Nazis).

 

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BMaker11 on 06 December 2008
SaviorX said:
BMaker11 said:
Khuutra said:
BMaker11 said:
SaviorX said:

"Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Pokemon, all those games are rehashes"

 

That is the sentiment of some gamers which I have absolutely no idea of understanding. Can somebody please explain to me why someone would say this sober?

Because they've been around forever and need to go. I was playing Mario when I was 4.....16 years later I shouldn't still have to be subjected to the same game.

We always here about how every new FPS is a "generic shooter" or has a "been there done that" feel. So then why isn't Nintendo being criticized? They continually whore out their franchises over and over and over and over and over...

 

 

...and over and over again. And it's funny that it's mostly Nintendo fans bashing most other games because of a lack of "innovation" when they've been playing essentially the same Pokemon game for 11 years

/rant over

...Tell me how, exactly, you're being subjected to these games.

Really.

Go ahead.

After I posted that, I knew that out of everything, that was the one thing someone was going to highlight lol.

Anyway, in the context I was using, if Nintendo wants me (another consumer) to by their product, I shouldn't still, after 15 years, expect a new Mario to still be the "next big thing" for the console. By saying that I'm "subjected" to it, I mean that if I were to purchase a Wii right now, Mario or Zelda is still, somehow after so long, a "must have" for the system. Come up with something new for a change. I expect more from the 1st party....if you want to talk about 3rd parties, that's a completely different story, even though the support from them for the Wii is dismal (yes dismal. Spin it however you want and say that the Wii sells the most 3rd party software..yeah, most of them the caliber of  "Game Party" or "Carnival Games")  I'm sorry, but I want to say that Nintendo is the LEAST innovative company out of the big 3 because they, after being in the business for over 20 years are still using Mario and the like as their big seller. I don't care about the Wii remote either. I can replicate tennis in Wii Sports by pressing X or A on the PS3 or 360 in Virtua Tennis, so even in that sense, Ninty isn't innovative.

I'll by a Nintendo console again (my last one was the N64..when I was 10) when they get more 3rd party support (and I mean the likes of MGS4 or even Street Fighter..uhh 4 lol (we've gotten a lot of 4's this gen, haven't we?) ) and don't shove anything with Mario in it down my throat.

And on a final note, no, No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki aren't going to make me think "Oh my! The Wii is a PREMIUM gaming console". You need more than that, and on a consistent basis

 

I see what you mean (I think). You want new 1st party games to start receiving the top spot. For example, if the "Wii 2" came out in 2012, you'd want to see "Cosmic Walker" or "Dynamic Slash" as the titles getting some attention.

 

yeah, sure.....lol

 



Million on 06 December 2008

Maro and Zelda should go there's been in excess of what ...... 20-30 mario titles over the past 3 generations ?

I think Nintendo should create new posterboys and make original content for them instead , everyone praises them about how innovative they are ; it shoudln't be an issue.

Ofcourse Nintendo will probably never leave Mario until A. Everyone looses interest in Mario B. Another Ninty character unintentionaly becomes more popular than him. They've invested millions in the Mario name advertising , promting it so it would be a pretty big waste of cash&time to push him to the side.

What they should do is introduce a new posterboy alongside mario but unrelated to mario.




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theRepublic on 06 December 2008

As long as Mario and Zelda are still good games, I will play them. Since they are some of the best this generation has to offer, I don't see them going anywhere.



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BMaker11 on 06 December 2008
Million said:
Maro and Zelda should go there's been in excess of what ...... 20-30 mario titles over the past 3 generations ?

I think Nintendo should create new posterboys and make original content for them instead , everyone praises them about how innovative they are ; it shoudln't be an issue.

Ofcourse Nintendo will probably never leave Mario until A. Everyone looses interest in Mario B. Another Ninty character unintentionaly becomes more popular than him. They've invested millions in the Mario name advertising , promting it so it would be a pretty big waste of cash&time to push him to the side.

What they should do is introduce a new posterboy alongside mario but unrelated to mario.

I like that idea....that way we can get something new and potentially really creative. It can slowly become the new "it" game for a Nintendo console while Nintendo can continue to whore Mario out <--- But at the end of the day, I think Mario should just go extinct SOME day

 



Khuutra on 06 December 2008

I am still trying to try to think how to phrase my argument without coming across as if I'm flaming you

Because trying to argue with someone who insists that all Mario games boil down to jumping on Goombas is very frustrating

Especially when this same person confesses to liking RPGs



tabsina on 06 December 2008
Million said:

What they should do is introduce a new posterboy alongside mario but unrelated to mario.

I agree... but how could a new character possibly get the same interest as mario.. and star in multiple games that can sell millions of copies... WHO COULD FILL THIS ROLE?



BMaker11 on 06 December 2008
Khuutra said:
I am still trying to try to think how to phrase my argument without coming across as if I'm flaming you

Because trying to argue with someone who insists that all Mario games boil down to jumping on Goombas is very frustrating

Especially when this same person confesses to liking RPGs

Is that not what you do in Mario?

And about RPGs: There are various RPGs. Fallout and Final Fantasy are not the same, whether in gameplay or objectives. Kingdon Hearts and Valyria Chronicles aren't the same.  Advance Wars and Tales of Vesperia are not the same. They come in all shapes and sizes