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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 03 December 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

Ah, how quickly IGN turns from the most respected site on the internet to the most despised.

It's ironic how much these posts would have differed had that review been about Gears of War 2. Were this game not exclusive, most of you would write it off because of this preview. Let me repost a little something I wrote recently, and this thread proves I was totally on point:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=51046&page=1

The thing is, most of these sites have some huge mistake they've made that has made the PS3 fanbase totally distrust and hate them.

Once you lose the PS3 fanbase, you lose generalized opinion. You lose positive stories on N4G, and gain negative ones. The PS3 fanbase is definitely the most influential on the internet, that's one thing about those guys.

Gametrailers has the game compraison controversy.

Gamespot has the Gerstman firing and the Rachet/Princess scores.

Xplay has the Core Crisis review.

IGN has been very careful not to rock the boat with the Sony fans. That, at least, has been a smart move from a PR standpoint. Screw Sony fans over once, and you're done. I've actually seen sigs of Sony fan avatars pissing on Eurogamer and Edge magazine, lol.

If you're on top, you've got to appease certain audiences. You can't even have the appearance of improperiety. You can't afford to underscore games when you're an early reviewer. In the gaming media, standards are a bad thing. The more you shill, the more popular you are.

I was so epically right about every word of that, that I seriously should have some groupies, just based off the excellence of that post. It was so....inciteful.

Were this preview positive(I haven't read it), it would be being touted to the heavens as confirmation of a AAA game. Since it isn't, IGN simply must be wrong, and stupid to boot?

But this situation shows IGN doing some rather tone- or situation-deaf nitpicking, which they'd avoid like the plague if your little conspiracy/influence hypothesis were correct.

Did gametrailers or anyone else mislabel, or at the time appear to mislabel, 360 games in a way that seemed detrimental, and then unilaterally ban a bunch of people from their message boards for discussing it?  If so, you all would be perfectly entitled to discuss and decry it.

The only thing you're correctly putting your finger on is that Playstation has a large fanbase net-wide: larger proportionally than the posters here represent.  As for the PS3 conspiracy, and the IGN posting which is inconsistent with your conspiracy: no.

Not only that, but 360 peeps around here have already bashed IGN when 'bad' news came out only to reverse themselves later (starcraft et al), so any criticism here ISN'T a Playstation-fan-only issue.  It's fanboyism to suggest otherwise.

 

My hyphothisis was absolutely correct, but I don't want to get into that, it'd just be a text crit, and it's missing the point. Suffice it to say that IGN is simply an idea, not a person, and individuals write their articles, not some great collective consciousness.

The point is, how quickly the loving PS3 fanbase turned rabid on IGN when they put up a small article criticizing a couple of aspects of the next Sony golden calf. Such a magnificant example of my Sony fanbase theory, and how review sources must now appease that market, or be destined and doomed to lack of credibility in the minds of the average internet gamer. I bet 10 to 1 that this story is on, or will be on N4G(with heavy damage control, and 2 negative 360 articles to counteract it), and spun negatively towards IGN by every commentor and probably the articles poster.

If someone only read N4G, they would think that Sony was easily winning this console war.

 

Your 2nd paragraph still falls prey to my argument that 360 folks do the same thing, so stop trying to say it's a Sony thing.  It's not.  It's just that that's the base that currently has a bee in its bonnet.  There are a lot of sites that favor 360 and hate PS3, and do damage control and write negative articles.  So you are only self-interestedly telling 1/3 of the story.



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Dgc1808 on 03 December 2008
makingmusic476 said:
The shotgun in question:

 

IGN has gone mad, CONFIRMED!!



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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 03 December 2008
Dgc1808 said:
makingmusic476 said:
The shotgun in question:

 

IGN has gone mad, CONFIRMED!!

 

I LOVE the way that guy crumples when he's hit.



ZenfoldorVGI on 03 December 2008
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

 

My hyphothisis was absolutely correct, but I don't want to get into that, it'd just be a text crit, and it's missing the point. Suffice it to say that IGN is simply an idea, not a person, and individuals write their articles, not some great collective consciousness.

The point is, how quickly the loving PS3 fanbase turned rabid on IGN when they put up a small article criticizing a couple of aspects of the next Sony golden calf. Such a magnificant example of my Sony fanbase theory, and how review sources must now appease that market, or be destined and doomed to lack of credibility in the minds of the average internet gamer. I bet 10 to 1 that this story is on, or will be on N4G(with heavy damage control, and 2 negative 360 articles to counteract it), and spun negatively towards IGN by every commentor and probably the articles poster.

If someone only read N4G, they would think that Sony was easily winning this console war.

 

Your 2nd paragraph still falls prey to my argument that 360 folks do the same thing, so stop trying to say it's a Sony thing.  It's not.  It's just that that's the base that currently has a bee in its bonnet.  There are a lot of sites that favor 360 and hate PS3, and do damage control and write negative articles.  So you are only self-interestedly telling 1/3 of the story.

The PS3 fans have far more pull and influence, and everyone who has seen the Internet knows it. Just look at some of the most visited news sites. I just took this screenshot....

Read that crap, dude. This is the PS3 we're talking about. I've seen less spin on the SDF than I have seen from nearly every N4G article....

Are there popular Microsoft propoganda sites that people tout as "news sites?"



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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Oniichan on 03 December 2008

I dont know why people (fanboys) would hate on IGN for providing some feedback that was requested by the Killzone devs anyway.

From what you can read the game is near perfect and IGN are simply providing information to make the game even better. I dont see anything wrong with that. Fanboys should want the game to be the best and feedback like this will help it become the best.

oh and its not a review or a preview. All it is showing is the feedback they sent to the devs to improve the game even more. Nothing wrong with that.



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Staude on 04 December 2008

games gonna be awesome. IGN could have been out earlier but the NDA didn't allow them too. Otherwise i think they would have been. I didn't read through it all because i'm trying to avoid most spoilers, but i think it's a good idea to come with some suggestions to gg :P



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bugrimmar on 04 December 2008

i always kinda thought that this would be another generic shooter, which is why i like resistance 2 very much. the enemies are varied (and freaking huge) and the weapons are all different.

the only thing that can make killzone 2 fail is the mentioned vanilla-ness of it's enemies and weapons.



CAL4M1TY on 04 December 2008

Gotta love IGN, hero's when Resistance 2 gets 9.5, villains when Killzone 2 gets constructive/wanted criticism.

Anyway, I think the vanilla weapons, enemies and enemy AI are a pretty big concern. Enemy AI is my biggest concern because by now guerilla's bound to have heard KZ2 detractors saying how the enemies don't react to being shot at, and yet there's no release of a video or any signs by them saying the issues been resolved. That worries me (because I remember with FEAR, every chance they could they showed intelligent enemy AI in their previews).



Kantor on 04 December 2008

This is IGN AU. They're just trying to get attention. Does anybody actually look at them?



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Euphoria14 on 04 December 2008

Zen, why not try taking at look at maxconsole and let us know how the 360 fans are over there. Some of the worst trash talking people I have come across on the internet. Even moderators there trash talk the PS3 and it's users on a dialy basis.

That is a big 360 biased site, from the users, to the moderators, all the way up to the guy who posts each and every article. I used to go to that site all the time before I found VGChartz, migrated from QJ.net, to MaxConsole and then to here.

If you think PS3 fans are the only ones who are dislusional, hypocritical or just downright causing you to become dizzy due to massive spin, then sorry my friend, but you just haven't been around enough sites yet.

This is a site that generally posts news up long before any of the users here have a chance.



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