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selnor on 03 December 2008

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dhummel on 03 December 2008
Spankey said:
dhummel said:
Dodece said:
I suspect that Sony expected that it would lose market share this holiday season to both Nintendo and Microsoft. However I also suspect that Sony probably did not expect to lose so much market share. This will not be the first time that Sony has had the PS3 dance close to dangerous margins, but with over two years on the market retailer patience is probably already quite thin.

According to this weeks data the PS3 is standing at just over 17% of the North American next gen console market. This week the console accounted for just over 13% of next gen console sales. The sobering realization is that Sony once more is going to plumb the limits of tolerable margin. Once again they are going to test the tolerance of retailers. Frankly it is like playing with fire, and they are right if you play with fire eventually you will get burned.

This will not be the first time this generation that Sony has tread these particular shores, but they always seem to recover towards safer margins before the hammer can fall, but if you tempt fate often enough. Fate does have a way of delivering a death blow, and it looks as if Sony is going to push it even farther this time around. Getting to within a few weeks of discontinuance if you believe the rumor that is.

Were I a PS3 owner I would be deeply concerned, because this strategy leaves Sony at the mercy of their rivals. Who can attack at the weakest moment. Sure the price cut may help the PS3, but what if Microsoft or Nintendo drop two or three blockbuster titles at that exact same point. The PS3 price cut may get lost in the excitement about those titles, and that could be the few weeks needed to cast the die for retailers.

 

Don't worry, according to Spankey it is all part of the master plan. It may look dire, but Sony doesn't want more market share, really...

 

Oh please. is your attention span so short that you've forgotten my first post you replied to?

You're calling Sony the PS3 and completely ignoring the PSP and PS2.

Why do you think they removed B/C from the PS3? so they could have a PS2 hardware/software buffer for these couple of fiscal quarters. PS2 makes more money from hardware than the PS3 does. You might find the PSP does as well.

Sony cannot be viewed as the PS3 alone.

They are probably more concerned about profit for the division than market share in this stage of the PS3 life cycle.

This does not mean they are not concerned about market share or they would have stopped advertising the PS3 hardware (as you pointed out) and dropped the price of the PS3.

If they did that, Sony would more than likely suffer disinvestment at some major level.

This is a long term game.

 

Funny, I thought Sony removed BC from the PS3 so they could, in part, afford an earlier round of price cuts to...you guessed it, gain market share in the 360/Wii/PS3 generation! Also, how would removing BC create the "software" portion of a PS2 buffer? Having fewer available consoles which play a given PS2 game does not increase software numbers, but then again this is the same roundabout logic you used for your last argument regarding Sony's advertising blitz that, apparently, is part of a larger mentality at Sony to limit PS3 sales.

 

It sounds so funny when you read it, but alas I am just paraphrasing. So which is it? You state in this most recent post that Sony is concerned with marketshare, but you stated earlier that for every console Sony sells over their (quite tempered) projections, the situation becomes more dire. These are mutually exclusive statements, it seems.



Spankey on 03 December 2008
dhummel said:
Spankey said:
dhummel said:
Dodece said:
I suspect that Sony expected that it would lose market share this holiday season to both Nintendo and Microsoft. However I also suspect that Sony probably did not expect to lose so much market share. This will not be the first time that Sony has had the PS3 dance close to dangerous margins, but with over two years on the market retailer patience is probably already quite thin.

According to this weeks data the PS3 is standing at just over 17% of the North American next gen console market. This week the console accounted for just over 13% of next gen console sales. The sobering realization is that Sony once more is going to plumb the limits of tolerable margin. Once again they are going to test the tolerance of retailers. Frankly it is like playing with fire, and they are right if you play with fire eventually you will get burned.

This will not be the first time this generation that Sony has tread these particular shores, but they always seem to recover towards safer margins before the hammer can fall, but if you tempt fate often enough. Fate does have a way of delivering a death blow, and it looks as if Sony is going to push it even farther this time around. Getting to within a few weeks of discontinuance if you believe the rumor that is.

Were I a PS3 owner I would be deeply concerned, because this strategy leaves Sony at the mercy of their rivals. Who can attack at the weakest moment. Sure the price cut may help the PS3, but what if Microsoft or Nintendo drop two or three blockbuster titles at that exact same point. The PS3 price cut may get lost in the excitement about those titles, and that could be the few weeks needed to cast the die for retailers.

 

Don't worry, according to Spankey it is all part of the master plan. It may look dire, but Sony doesn't want more market share, really...

 

Oh please. is your attention span so short that you've forgotten my first post you replied to?

You're calling Sony the PS3 and completely ignoring the PSP and PS2.

Why do you think they removed B/C from the PS3? so they could have a PS2 hardware/software buffer for these couple of fiscal quarters. PS2 makes more money from hardware than the PS3 does. You might find the PSP does as well.

Sony cannot be viewed as the PS3 alone.

They are probably more concerned about profit for the division than market share in this stage of the PS3 life cycle.

This does not mean they are not concerned about market share or they would have stopped advertising the PS3 hardware (as you pointed out) and dropped the price of the PS3.

If they did that, Sony would more than likely suffer disinvestment at some major level.

This is a long term game.

 

Funny, I thought Sony removed BC from the PS3 so they could, in part, afford an earlier round of price cuts to...you guessed it, gain market share in the 360/Wii/PS3 generation! Also, how would removing BC create the "software" portion of a PS2 buffer? Having fewer available consoles which play a given PS2 game does not increase software numbers, but then again this is the same roundabout logic you used for your last argument regarding Sony's advertising blitz that, apparently, is part of a larger mentality at Sony to limit PS3 sales.

 

It sounds so funny when you read it, but alas I am just paraphrasing. So which is it? You state in this most recent post that Sony is concerned with marketshare, but you stated earlier that for every console Sony sells over their (quite tempered) projections, the situation becomes more dire. These are mutually exclusive statements, it seems.

 

oh come on use your brain, not your ego.

You seem to be a very silly person and therefore I'll not dicuss this with you any further.



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dhummel on 03 December 2008
Spankey said:
dhummel said:
Spankey said:
dhummel said:
Dodece said:
I suspect that Sony expected that it would lose market share this holiday season to both Nintendo and Microsoft. However I also suspect that Sony probably did not expect to lose so much market share. This will not be the first time that Sony has had the PS3 dance close to dangerous margins, but with over two years on the market retailer patience is probably already quite thin.

According to this weeks data the PS3 is standing at just over 17% of the North American next gen console market. This week the console accounted for just over 13% of next gen console sales. The sobering realization is that Sony once more is going to plumb the limits of tolerable margin. Once again they are going to test the tolerance of retailers. Frankly it is like playing with fire, and they are right if you play with fire eventually you will get burned.

This will not be the first time this generation that Sony has tread these particular shores, but they always seem to recover towards safer margins before the hammer can fall, but if you tempt fate often enough. Fate does have a way of delivering a death blow, and it looks as if Sony is going to push it even farther this time around. Getting to within a few weeks of discontinuance if you believe the rumor that is.

Were I a PS3 owner I would be deeply concerned, because this strategy leaves Sony at the mercy of their rivals. Who can attack at the weakest moment. Sure the price cut may help the PS3, but what if Microsoft or Nintendo drop two or three blockbuster titles at that exact same point. The PS3 price cut may get lost in the excitement about those titles, and that could be the few weeks needed to cast the die for retailers.

 

Don't worry, according to Spankey it is all part of the master plan. It may look dire, but Sony doesn't want more market share, really...

 

Oh please. is your attention span so short that you've forgotten my first post you replied to?

You're calling Sony the PS3 and completely ignoring the PSP and PS2.

Why do you think they removed B/C from the PS3? so they could have a PS2 hardware/software buffer for these couple of fiscal quarters. PS2 makes more money from hardware than the PS3 does. You might find the PSP does as well.

Sony cannot be viewed as the PS3 alone.

They are probably more concerned about profit for the division than market share in this stage of the PS3 life cycle.

This does not mean they are not concerned about market share or they would have stopped advertising the PS3 hardware (as you pointed out) and dropped the price of the PS3.

If they did that, Sony would more than likely suffer disinvestment at some major level.

This is a long term game.

 

Funny, I thought Sony removed BC from the PS3 so they could, in part, afford an earlier round of price cuts to...you guessed it, gain market share in the 360/Wii/PS3 generation! Also, how would removing BC create the "software" portion of a PS2 buffer? Having fewer available consoles which play a given PS2 game does not increase software numbers, but then again this is the same roundabout logic you used for your last argument regarding Sony's advertising blitz that, apparently, is part of a larger mentality at Sony to limit PS3 sales.

 

It sounds so funny when you read it, but alas I am just paraphrasing. So which is it? You state in this most recent post that Sony is concerned with marketshare, but you stated earlier that for every console Sony sells over their (quite tempered) projections, the situation becomes more dire. These are mutually exclusive statements, it seems.

 

oh come on use your brain, not your ego.

You seem to be a very silly person and therefore I'll not dicuss this with you any further.

OK then. I guess your rebuttal is a personal attack. Glad to see we could be civil about this. The cliche still holds, I suppose. You know, the one about how you know you've won an argument when the other party resorts to... well, I'm sure you've heard it. Sillyness isn't always bad, you know. From someone who uses such roundabout logic I take it as a sign of my own rationality. Thank you.

 



msnolp on 03 December 2008

What a nice sale numbers!!
GOD DS
HOLY Wii
PRO Xbox 360
ps3......
psp......



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Simulacrum on 03 December 2008

THIS IS MADNESS!

Madness?

THIS
IS
MARIOOOOO

DADADADADADATAATAA
DADADADADADADADTAA



 

 

Take my love, take my land..

non-gravity on 03 December 2008
BHR-3 said:

PS3 loss to 360 this week ww is probably going to be 410k not as bad as i though it would be i'll stay positive hope ps3 will see these 360 type boosts wen its price goes down next year

 

 Don't be so negative Japan will make up for the gap.

That's positive



xman on 03 December 2008
non-gravity said:
BHR-3 said:

PS3 loss to 360 this week ww is probably going to be 410k not as bad as i though it would be i'll stay positive hope ps3 will see these 360 type boosts wen its price goes down next year

 

 Don't be so negative Japan will make up for the gap.

That's positive

 

Japan is not going to make up that much



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colonelstubbs on 03 December 2008

the 360 is an absolute monster at the moment!



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MonstaMack on 03 December 2008

Didn't I read somewhere that the 360 outsolde the PS3 3:1, on Gamespot or something?
Looks like NPD is going to be doing some adjustments.

Still, 360 back on top for second place. Wii just dominating, like it always does.



It's just that simple.