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leo-j said:
marc said:
There is another option that they did not consider. My choice would be to forget about this generation and just focus on making a profit from here on out. There is no chance for either the PS3 or 360 to "win" by numbers. It simply will not happen any more barring some kind of disaster at Nintendo or a miracle by the invisible man. Instead of trying to win by numbers just chalk it up as a lesson learned and focus on decreasing the price of the PS3 so that it is more accessible to the masses and on making good games... something Sony is sorely lacking in and something MS needs to expand on. Both need to bring their consoles down to the $300 range. MS needs to somehow break the Japanese market and I dont think this will happen with the console alone. They need to leverage their OS monopoly. Sony needs to hire new qualified folks and remove the current incompitence working in high positions in their offices. They should have known from past experience that their $700 monster was going to fail but they simply have no one with enough brain power to see it. They need to make a profit this in gaming this next 4-5 years and then start work on a new console. Nintendo is hardly out of the water as well. They should be very worried about the next gen of consoles now that both MS and Sony have learned a valuable lesson.

Doubt the ps3, as much as you want ounce that $399.99 price tag is here we will be seeing who is in the lead.


Its not going to happen chief. The momentum is simply too overwhelming. 1st you would need to slow Wii sales which is not going to happen no matter what the PS3 does since their market is so much smaller and if you cant do that you need to somehow increase sales by 3-400% to catch the Wii in about 4-5 or so years. There is a greater chance of nuclear fallout tomorrow morning than that happening. I am not bashing the PS3 here, this is simply how it is. Between Sony and MS the company with the better chance of a comback is MS. They are in a much better position with a new system coming out soon, a good library of games for all regions, and they can leverage the OS market at any time once someone with a brain over there realizes it. Sony needs to take a step back, re-organize internally, make some money and tread water until next gen where it will be either MS or Sony who will take the lead assuming they dont try the $400+ pricepoint again.



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azzer100 said:
leo-j said:
marc said:

Doubt the ps3, as much as you want ounce that $399.99 price tag is here we will be seeing who is in the lead.


are you forgetting that once the ps3 gets to $399.99 the wii  could be at $150 or even $100.

THEN we will see who is in the lead!

Some sony fanboys seem to think that only the ps3 is gonna go down in price.


Well its hard for them not to look at the situation from the perspective of, "If only this and that were different about the PS3, it would have won this generation and that would show all of you!!!" It's going to be their warcry to the bitter end.



azzer100 said:
leo-j said:
marc said:

Doubt the ps3, as much as you want ounce that $399.99 price tag is here we will be seeing who is in the lead.


are you forgetting that once the ps3 gets to $399.99 the wii  could be at $150 or even $100.

THEN we will see who is in the lead!

Some sony fanboys seem to think that only the ps3 is gonna go down in price.


You expect the Wii to be 100 dollars by next year's holidays? There is no way Nintendo is going to drop the price on a console selling this much for a long time. PS3 will have another price drop sometime next year and it will probably be another 100 dollars off.

I don't expect a Wii price cut to below 200 dollars till 2009, unless demand significantly slows down.



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ckmlb said:
azzer100 said:
leo-j said:
marc said:

Doubt the ps3, as much as you want ounce that $399.99 price tag is here we will be seeing who is in the lead.


are you forgetting that once the ps3 gets to $399.99 the wii  could be at $150 or even $100.

THEN we will see who is in the lead!

Some sony fanboys seem to think that only the ps3 is gonna go down in price.


You expect the Wii to be 100 dollars by next year's holidays? There is no way Nintendo is going to drop the price on a console selling this much for a long time. PS3 will have another price drop sometime next year and it will probably be another 100 dollars off.

I don't expect a Wii price cut to below 200 dollars till 2009, unless demand significantly slows down.


I guess Sony is the only company who can do price cuts now.



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He has a point, Soldier. It's not a matter of if Nintendo can cut their price but a matter of necessity. Price cuts happen only to help increase demand. If demand is already equal or above supply, a price cut would only hinder profit margins as there would be no increase in sales to offset the cut.

He's simply saying that he doesn't believe demand will drop low enough to warrant a price cut until 2009.



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Very interesting read. First of all this really puts things in perspective of just how deep of a hole Sony is in right now. I mean I always hear across the web of the Sony fanboys praising about this almight coming of grace and PS3 sales will magically just start going up.

Well this article is a huge wake up call to those people as it shows just how hard that really is going to be. From the real looks of this, the article is mainly suggesting now how Sony can come back and take over Nintendo but just survive the generation. Personally I don't think any of their ideas will work.

First of all they suggest throwing out a copy cat version of the wiimote onto an existing hardware. Only problem with this is that it would be an accessory. And if they do change the original package to include that then it'll seem like the copy off brand to the consumer while they'll want the first and the so proclaimed best. NOt some tack on at the last minute. You see the same thing with software sales. They want the original not the same game new name.

As for the whole thing of not doing anything that is the exact reason why sales aren't changing. Cause they aren't doing anything. All 3rd parties have changed development somewhat to accomodate Nintendo's "newly found" casual/non gamer market. Why hasn't Sony done the same thing with their software. Why have they not changed something about their strategy to at least counter this. Everyone keeps thinking it's price that's the only reason Wii is outselling PS3. No it's more than that. Wii is getting huge sales not just from the core market but the other markets as well. If Sony doesn't counter that they aren't going to take anything away from the Wii. Sony has to do something.

Thirdly they say they should incorporate it into the PS2 and drop the price. This in theory sounds good but actually isn't. They have a successor on the market. Meaning the PS2 is doomed to fade out no matter how hard you try to revive it. And with Wii and DS pushing in as the mainstream hardware it'll be dead even quicker. PS2 is losing it's brandname appeal. Enterting the PS3 and unsuccessfully has totally stopped the PS2 from being that huge iconic mainstream hardware. It's been lost and PS2 will be on it's slow decline til death no matter what Sony tries to do to revive it.

The last one seems like the best ideal. Disrupt the disruptor. Unluckily for them this can't be done in this generation. Cause even if they did package this new disruptor in with the regular package that would be awhile from now. 2009-2010 timeframe. By that time Wii will have already won, N6 will be about a year or 2 from release, and Xbox 3 may be coming out during that timeframe.

Sony is in a major pickle right now and it's really hard to think of what they can do to stop the Wii from winning this generation. Cause they ahve one issue of there is nothing they can do right now to slow Wii down. Cause Nintendo is reaching out to markets that Sony isn't paying attention too. And you can't hurt sales there if you aren't trying to stop them.

I really don't think i could offer something to tell Sony how to get out of this. Other than go for the markets you know you are strongest in. Lay down resources in Japan and medium it in America and really go full out in the European territories. But interesting read.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
Killzone3 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Killzone3 said:
Their three options are idiotic.

Best option is to hold their ground and keep a few huge 3rd exclusives like MGS FF L.A. Noir at all cost and when the time comes launch those WMD named GranTurismo FinalFantasy MetalGearSolid Killzone.

So you suggest the path of greatest floppage


They are whoopin 360s ass world wide, yep floopage.

 

 

Still millions behind though, at the current sales rate it will take a long time for PS3 to catch up

 

 

 That would be true.  But your not counting xmas, evey xmas Ps3 will sale 2/3 million more then the 360 WW!

Unless you believe Japan and Europe will somehow embrace the 360 something they are clearly not doing right now.



Killzone3 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Killzone3 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Killzone3 said:
Their three options are idiotic.

Best option is to hold their ground and keep a few huge 3rd exclusives like MGS FF L.A. Noir at all cost and when the time comes launch those WMD named GranTurismo FinalFantasy MetalGearSolid Killzone.

So you suggest the path of greatest floppage


They are whoopin 360s ass world wide, yep floopage.

 

 

Still millions behind though, at the current sales rate it will take a long time for PS3 to catch up

 


That would be true. But your not counting xmas, evey xmas Ps3 will sale 2/3 million more then the 360 WW!

Unless you believe Japan and Europe will somehow embrace the 360 something they are clearly not doing right now.


 2-3 million?  Maybe if the PS3 gets a huge price cut and MS doesn't sell a single console.   1 million extra is closer to reality and that's still pushing it.

 

You also might want to look at the Euro and Japanese numbers.  Outselling by just 10k per week on average isn't much. 



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