Ermmh... it doesnt mean that FPS and TPS will be gone if Ninty won, the one that will gone are the hardcore games that only relies on gore and violent factor and mostly playing online. BTW have you played Half Life? Counter Strike? Half Life 2? Half Life deathmatch? Yeah those days were fun, fun till most FPS are more into violence and graphics factor theres no real gameplay anymore. The only game I want to play with all the swarm of FPS was COD 4 because its the only FPS that have great gameplay and not focus on graphics and gore.

@bdbdbd----> Ermh... yeah, its embarassing to think what I post before <_<

I fully agree with this article. I had been playing a lot for the last 18 years and I don't find much reasons to buy a Wii especially with the current pricing. Maybe if they released it at 130$ price range I'd consider getting it to check those Zeldas.

I played CS over many years a while ago and I must say there is nothing like that experience currently on the consoles. However, those gamers are definitely what Ninty doesn't cater for. In my books, the very low interest in online playing was a bad move by Nintendo and one of the main reasons I didn't play my Wii in a while... To tell you the truth I'm not an FPS fan at all unless it has interesting multiplayer, the only games I play a lot and finish are the ones with a strong storyline or sports games and unfortunately the Wii's lineup in the last part of this year had none of these games.

The one thing I agree with you is that the addition of violence and gore is unnecessary....

My take on it is that wii owners are justified to rant at the moment, considering the plethora of good PS3 and 360 titles entering the market right now. Once the Conduit, Mad World (though im a little concerned about too much waggle for this one), and wii motion + all hit spring next year, we'll be singing a happier tune...

Miyamoto himself was playing Killzone 2 on E3 2008 you know... So simply because the wii is portrayed kiddy doesnt mean it is. The Conduit being promoted at the October conference is the sign that Ninty is also focusing on core gamers. We just dont realized it, till 2009.

These 2 years only the times when Ninty wants to bleed money out of MS and SONY for them to be dominant once they unleashed there core games on the market. Thats why they abandon their loyal fanbase and the core gamer for the moment, YEAH... they abandon core gamers thats a fact, but they did this to save the gaming market. If they didnt do this and Ninty did this in their E3 conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXrsK8ICp8E

... we might have been in the next video game crash right now. Have you noticed that gamers today are becoming older and older? Thats not a good sign the gaming community needs kids to hold the industry...

They lost me

Anyway, I really don't think that Nintendo's shift towards casuals is for anything else than to make more profits. As long as their products sell they wouldn't mind if their "original" core fans are not satisfied with their games output.

The only thing that you got right is that the new and young Wii owners are going to grow up and want the next Nintendo console, thus consolidating their position. However, it still doesn't make it right in the eyes of more traditional gamers.

At least we agreed that Nintendos effort during the last 3 months definitely alienated their core gamers.

Wii is too limited to appeal to most hardcore gamers. Crappy graphics and crappy online alone makes me not want to buy their games. Throw in the fact that 80% of their titles are geared towards kids, and Im left with scant pickings. I have had a Wii for almost two years and the only games I have bought are Zelda, SSBB and Umbrella Chronicles. They are decent games compared to the many disappointments I have rented for Wii. But even those titles I eventually sold back. With my Xbox360 I have bought probably a dozen games in the same amount of time and kept half because of their online replay value.

I grew up with Mario and Zelda, but they didnt grow up with me. The Wii is for kids and casual gamers. The Xbox360 is for people like me. But I wont rip on the Wii. Those casual gamers will one day mature in to hardcore gamers and they will expand the hardcore market. It is what happened with all of Nintendo's previous systems. Video gaming owes a great debt to Nintendo. However, it doesnt mean I have to like their every console.

@Yushire: The genres aren't going anywhere. By the looks of the current state of shooters, a lot of the shovelware will exit the market and the best-selling franchises will stay, since the "easy money" is found somewhere else. This basically isn't similar change that the industry experienced a decade ago, when the games that were lost were 2D games. The way how the games are played, will change, but the genres itself don't. There just will be a larger diversity of games.

Nintendo haven't lost the core gamer, atleast not with Wii, they only have won them back.

And no, Nintendo did not forget the core in the first two years. They actually did better, than they did with N64 and GC. People have already forgot N64, but GC started well with 3rd party support, unlike Wii, so the ones who forgot the core gamer, was actually the 3rd parties.

I guess we all have been there when the change makes one doubting the future.

lol, a nice narrowminded post.

I would actually say that most hardcore gamers need a Wii next to a HD console to get the most out of this generation. The graphics are hardly crappy if devs put some effort in it. Galaxy was a stunning looking game, also compared to HD games. Everytime someone mentions crappy graphics I wonder if they can still enjoy PS2/PS1/SNES games.

Zelda is a great game that easily matches most (if not all) adventure games of this gen. I really wonder what games you are playing on 360 if you can't find anything on Wii. Metacritic has 40 games over 80% rating. If it's only FPS I think you're right that Wii doesn't hold a lot, but I would call you a hardcore FPS gamer, not a hardcore gamer.

Online certainly is limited, but can still be great (Mario Kart is imo the best online experience there is). At the very least you won't be bothered with all kinds of immature kids telling you you suck. Besides a lot of core gamers like single player experiences.