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Hyruken said:
Kantor said:
Solid_Raiden said:
Godot said:
North America has adopted the 360 as the main HD console. I don't think there's a turning back now for NA.

 

 I agree with you. I'm not sure if all the Kraots, Solid Snakes, GTs and killzones can save the PS3 from last place in america now.

I'm pretty sure Kratos, Snake, GT, Killzone, Jak and Ratchet, along with a price cut, can turn the tide in America. It's not over yet, but Sony needs to act quickly. Killzone 2 will set the wheel turning,  

 

 Sorry but this is the fantasy land stuff i was talking about yesterday. This year has seen a major strong line up of games for the PS3. Games that have very high profile and appeal to most audiences. Those games you mention have nothing over what the PS3 has seen this year in MGS4 excellent game, GTA4 multiplat, COD5 multiplat, LBP new IP, Resistance 2 sequel to a PS3 game, Warhawk 2007, Haze sucked , GT5:Prologue demo etc.. etc.. To think Killzone 2 will do better then those games is just pure laughable. There is nothing now in the PS3 locker that can compete with any of those games In my opinion, the only 'excellent' games you listed were R2, MGS4 and LBP. We will see shooters better than R2 without a doubt, this is still early in the console's life . Killzone 2 is a game being hyped up as the next killer app but i have seen it being played and was not as impressed as i was watching COD4. The previews are very mixed please find me ONE bad preview. Remember Resistance 2 was meant to be the next best game wasen't it? People had been saying KZ2 would eclipse R2 since the beta came out.

And this is the problem. People have to look for excuses as to why the PS3 is doing so badly. They have to find something that will turn the tide. When they just can't accept that it is doing badly because people don't want it as much as they think they do. The only way PS3 is getting back ahead of the 360 is by having a massive price cut to bring it in line with current 360/Wii prices That's exactly what I said. Even with all of these exclusives, the PS3 needs a price cut to compete with the X360. The Wii is out of reach.  and a total image overhaul. Its image right now is worse then a bunch of nerds trying it on with the prom queen. How many consumers pause and think about the 'image' of the console? They look at the price, then the games, then the features.

So while these numbers for the PS3 are very bad if you take the 360 and Wii out of the picture and just look at the numbers your see they are in line with the PS3's average projection. The PS3 is doing as well as it has done which is not good enough. But the 360 has started to now pick up pace and pick up some of the Wii sales it's not picking up any Wii sales. Wii sales have gone up MORE than 360 sales. This was expected. So seeing the 360 sales is not a surprise at all. The question is if they can keep it in stock because the demand now is huge. Not really. Compared to the Wii, both the PS3 and X360 are selling terribly.

So what I'm saying is that GoWIII, KZ2 and GT5 can have more impact on the PS3 than MGS4. You disagree with that?

I am confused as to why the X360 sold so well this week. PS3 has been doing these numbers all the way through, but 360 usually never comes close to this.

 



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This thread is filled with fail from the gloating 360 fanboys. It kinda goes like this:

360: Eat it, Sony fanboys! Your favorite console will never get second place, muahahaha!!

PS3: Well, crap. These sales are good for its price, though! Just you guys wait!

Wii: La la la la la. xD

I guess this is the internet. If the situation was reversed, which at some point I'm sure it will be, you'd see the 360 fanboys cry, "troll! troll!" Does it pay to be hypocrites, guys?

-_-



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This thread is too damn long to go through but he's my 2 cents.

While MS leaves a bad taste in people's mouth in Europe and Japan (UK excepted) it's got good brand presence in NA, so Sony has little Brand dominance here.

Gameswise the systems are VERY similar. Obviously the have exclusives but really, to the lay person what's the difference between Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2. Hell, I couldn't even tell you. The difference in games to the average person is so small it's irrelevant. (In comparison Wii offers a totally difference experience)

Power wise again, basically a draw. We know different but avg person doesn't see it. Hell it's all the same games all in HD right? What's the difference?

Okay Arcade don't have a HD but Joe Blow is still comparing $299 Pro to $399 PS3 and not seeing the added costs of 360, they just see $100 cheaper.

So that only leaves price as a deciding factor. PS3 loses.

Unless the consumer also wants a blu-ray player but 2 problems with that. 1) Economy. People may not want to shell out $10-15 more per movie and not care about Blu-ray. 2) An increasing number of people own a blu-ray player already.



 

Think some of it is due to the recent GOW2 and Fable releases and the rest due to the lower price. Will probably not be so much % difference next week but till the ps3 gets a price cut which it won't the 360 will hold a lead mabey not increased % share but certainly total sales.
Whats really remarkable though is the Wii sells for similar to the X360 costs about 1/2 as much to make sells at a huge profit (instead of a loss like ps360) and on top of that is taking 60% of the entire sales it's a total winner in every way. Once the HD TV market has grown more thanks to HI-DEF broadcast and blu-ray etc and cheap LCD TV's nintendo will release an HD console in 2010 which will leave the Ps360 for dead and keep them as the new number 1 while MS and Sony fight over 2nd place and then bail their current consoles early to try to respond to the new HD Wii.



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Vertigo-X said:
This thread is filled with fail from the gloating 360 fanboys. It kinda goes like this:

360: Eat it, Sony fanboys! Your favorite console will never get second place, muahahaha!!

PS3: Well, crap. These sales are good for its price, though! Just you guys wait!

Wii: La la la la la. xD

I guess this is the internet. If the situation was reversed, which at some point I'm sure it will be, you'd see the 360 fanboys cry, "troll! troll!" Does it pay to be hypocrites, guys?

-_-

 

More like:

X360: No amount of games on PS3 can beat the 360! 360 will beat PS3 by *insert number of million consoles* every year this gen!

PS3: No, wait till *insert exclusive here* and pricecut! GT5 will be huge! PS3 has the best games in 2009! 2009 year of the PS3! (I admit to this)

Wii: Awesome sales for Wii!



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Gamerace said:
This thread is too damn long to go through but he's my 2 cents.

While MS leaves a bad taste in people's mouth in Europe and Japan (UK excepted) it's got good brand presence in NA, so Sony has little Brand dominance here.

Gameswise the systems are VERY similar. Obviously the have exclusives but really, to the lay person what's the difference between Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2. Hell, I couldn't even tell you. The difference in games to the average person is so small it's irrelevant. (In comparison Wii offers a totally difference experience)

Power wise again, basically a draw. We know different but avg person doesn't see it. Hell it's all the same games all in HD right? What's the difference?

Okay Arcade don't have a HD but Joe Blow is still comparing $299 Pro to $399 PS3 and not seeing the added costs of 360, they just see $100 cheaper.

So that only leaves price as a deciding factor. PS3 loses.

Unless the consumer also wants a blu-ray player but 2 problems with that. 1) Economy. People may not want to shell out $10-15 more per movie and not care about Blu-ray. 2) An increasing number of people own a blu-ray player already.

Well, there's the fact that one is first person and the other is third person, one is past and the other is future...

And you think the average person thinks the PS3 and 360 are equal in terms of power with all of these ads about Sixaxis and the Cell processor (which is actually seven processors all linked together by... something)?

But you're right. Price is the deciding factor. Now if $299 pro was against $299 PS3, what would happen?

I'm sure everybody who buys a console does SOME sort of research, even if it's looking at *insert console* games...

 



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Gamerace said:
This thread is too damn long to go through but he's my 2 cents.

While MS leaves a bad taste in people's mouth in Europe and Japan (UK excepted) it's got good brand presence in NA, so Sony has little Brand dominance here.

Gameswise the systems are VERY similar. Obviously the have exclusives but really, to the lay person what's the difference between Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2. Hell, I couldn't even tell you. The difference in games to the average person is so small it's irrelevant. (In comparison Wii offers a totally difference experience)

Power wise again, basically a draw. We know different but avg person doesn't see it. Hell it's all the same games all in HD right? What's the difference?

Okay Arcade don't have a HD but Joe Blow is still comparing $299 Pro to $399 PS3 and not seeing the added costs of 360, they just see $100 cheaper.

So that only leaves price as a deciding factor. PS3 loses.

Unless the consumer also wants a blu-ray player but 2 problems with that. 1) Economy. People may not want to shell out $10-15 more per movie and not care about Blu-ray. 2) An increasing number of people own a blu-ray player already.

It's true that we know, but we also have to remember that Sony pumped out a butt-load of "The PS3 is a gazillion times more powerful than the 360"-hype, and I know people who were affected by this. The pricetag also lends to this image, so I think the general consumer would have a bigger chance of seeing the PS3 as the superior piece of hardware, than the two being equal or the 360 being more powerful.



Where were all X360 fanboys at spring? Selnor was almost only one. Nowadays every thread is full of them.



KillerMan said:
Where were all X360 fanboys at spring? Selnor was almost only one. Nowadays every thread is full of them.

 

All the 360 RPGs were announced in summer, so the PS3 fanboys jumped ship?

 



Bet - "PES 2009 (PS3) will sell (closer to) 150k first week in Japan" - Pooperscopper
"It will sell closer to 125k" - Me I agree.
ME = OWNED :(

End of '09 Predictions:

Wii: 78 million
X360: 35 million
PS3: 27 million

Go Wii Go