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afree_account said:
leo-j said:
 

 

The ps3 doesnt have a power switch it has a touch screen..and you can turn it on with the controller...

OMG,

niiiceee !

thx for the info leo-j!

 

OK, we agree there are at least 10 Dimensions !

So who's goin to buy a ps3 which supports just 4 of them ?

How can a console with just 4D last 10 years ?

Sorry, the ps3's specs don't look that hot now ;)


 unless game consoles become time machines going past the 4th dimension is completely unplausible. I could imagine Nintendo's take on time machines in game consoles lmfao. 



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afree_account said:
 

ssj12,

i remember you!

You are the guy who's making up stuff all the time pretending to be a smart one !

like here -> http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3904

Concerning your post: 4-D was meant as that the AI can think make multiple decisions in real time...

There is no correlation between 4D and AI !!!

Concerning your post: have you ever heard of String Theory? look it up, because your apparently a bit uneducated.

You are posting some random stuff to change the subject, again! I guess you can't find any correlation between 4-D, Playstation and AI either.

  

ssj12,

care to explain your 4D AI Theory ?

 



To awnser the topic's question, hell no. I think too many people think the PS3 will have a come back. It wont. The reason the 60 is doing well is becuase it got a jump start with better releases, and it started getting units in. Yes, the 360 was supply constricted. The PS3 wasn't. Lets also not forget that they won't have any big sellers till March 08, and that one will only appel to people who already own the system. I'd expect it to hit 11million Christmas of 08. But, that's a big maybe, and if they can survive this holiday season.



afree_account said:
afre_account said:
 

ssj12,

i remember you!

You are the guy who's making up stuff all the time pretending to be a smart one !

like here -> http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3904

Concerning your post: 4-D was meant as that the AI can think make multiple decisions in real time...

There is no correlation between 4D and AI !!!

Concerning your post: have you ever heard of String Theory? look it up, because your apparently a bit uneducated.

You are posting some random stuff to change the subject, again! I guess you can't find any correlation between 4-D, Playstation and AI either.

ssj12,

care to explain your 4D AI Theory ?

 


ok 4D is based time. Like the video on the site I posted. Think of yourself 1 minute ago and now. Thats what 4D is, its duration. Duration to think, duration in time, duration to execute.

The CELL processor can accomplish branching A.I. better then the other two consoles.

Branching the A.I. grants each opponent various options to accomplish it's task.

In Resistance: Fall of Man for example, the enemy chimera are given 4 options; stand & attack, take cover; retreat and call for help; and attack under cover (forget the real ones watch the playb3yond video for them). Some enemies have less options then others but the basic ones have these options.

So the idea of 4D in gaming is basically branched A.I. which allows what I said above, the ability to think, react, and execute an action in a curtain duration of time.

Thats basically what good old Ken meant was that it can handle faster and more logical A.I. if you will.



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Well nine months after the 360s' release, it didn't have jack games either, except maybe Oblivion. In August of 2006, if you went into Blockbuster or Circuit City and looked at the 360 games, they had maybe 20 something games on display, horrible. And it took a year for it to get Gears, which wasn't even all that great. Point being, the PS3 is doing a hell of alot better than the Xbox 360 did on its first year around. Personally, I'd rather play Resistance or UL:DK than Call of duty 2 or PDZ. And the only good game COMING to 360 (IMO) this year is Halo 3. All those other exclusive 360 titles look like crappy shooters. But to the topic, I honestly don't know if the PS3 will hit 11 million, I see it being more like 7.5 - 8 million myself. I own both consoles but I play my PS3 more, 360 has absolutely no good games out at the moment IMO, just tons of crappy gunners. Plus PSN is free and has a web browser, AND PS3 has Blu-ray built in. I rest my case. Nice little ramble I did just then, sorry if i bored anyone?



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ssj12 said:
afree_account said:
afre_account said:
 

ssj12,

i remember you!

You are the guy who's making up stuff all the time pretending to be a smart one !

like here -> http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3904

Concerning your post: 4-D was meant as that the AI can think make multiple decisions in real time...

There is no correlation between 4D and AI !!!

Concerning your post: have you ever heard of String Theory? look it up, because your apparently a bit uneducated.

You are posting some random stuff to change the subject, again! I guess you can't find any correlation between 4-D, Playstation and AI either.

ssj12,

care to explain your 4D AI Theory ?

 


ok 4D is based time. Like the video on the site I posted. Think of yourself 1 minute ago and now. Thats what 4D is, its duration. Duration to think, duration in time, duration to execute.

The CELL processor can accomplish branching A.I. better then the other two consoles.

Branching the A.I. grants each opponent various options to accomplish it's task.

In Resistance: Fall of Man for example, the enemy chimera are given 4 options; stand & attack, take cover; retreat and call for help; and attack under cover (forget the real ones watch the playb3yond video for them). Some enemies have less options then others but the basic ones have these options.

So the idea of 4D in gaming is basically branched A.I. which allows what I said above, the ability to think, react, and execute an action in a curtain duration of time.

Thats basically what good old Ken meant was that it can handle faster and more logical A.I. if you will.


AI based on fuzzy logic routines is not 4D.  Period.  It doesn't matter how Sony tries to spin it.  The "4th dimension" of time is inherent in everyday life, it's not suddenly their bottled lightning.  What you described above is just an AI that can think a few steps ahead.  People do that all the time.  Machines already do that plenty.  Deep Blue, the top-ranking computer chess player, thinks almost 20 moves ahead.  He is not, in any way, "4D", and if he was claimed to be so, it would be a lie.  You're also describing reaction time.  That's also not "4D", that's just a faster processor doing the caluclations quicker, being able to come up with an answer fast enough to respond.  It's simple processing power.

The fourth dimension is, as we've all agreed on, time (when referring to a set of only four dimensions -- going beyond that we hit theoretical dimensions that we cannot perceive).  We cannot (currently) control time, we move forward at a rate of 1s/s (with appropriate variance for relativity).  Until we create time machines, no machine is "4-dimensional".



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

WiteoutKing said:
ssj12 said:
afree_account said:

 




AI based on fuzzy logic routines is not 4D. Period. It doesn't matter how Sony tries to spin it. The "4th dimension" of time is inherent in everyday life, it's not suddenly their bottled lightning. What you described above is just an AI that can think a few steps ahead. People do that all the time. Machines already do that plenty. Deep Blue, the top-ranking computer chess player, thinks almost 20 moves ahead. He is not, in any way, "4D", and if he was claimed to be so, it would be a lie. You're also describing reaction time. That's also not "4D", that's just a faster processor doing the caluclations quicker, being able to come up with an answer fast enough to respond. It's simple processing power.

The fourth dimension is, as we've all agreed on, time (when referring to a set of only four dimensions -- going beyond that we hit theoretical dimensions that we cannot perceive). We cannot (currently) control time, we move forward at a rate of 1s/s (with appropriate variance for relativity). Until we create time machines, no machine is "4-dimensional".


but..but...

Sony sad so, so it's 4D!

Maybe they'll deliver the missing 6 Dimension via a firmware upgrade too ! :)

 

afree_account said:

Ask 3 Sony fanboys about 4D and you get 3 different definitions.


leo-j:
liquid has hit 4-d graphics!  Grand Tourismo 5 looks more realistic than real live !
(Ok, maybe its not 4D but it looks like 4D)

SSJ12:
PS3 got 4D cause it's AI is better at making decisions than any other console !

Alpha_DK:
4-D graphics (specifically, vertex4[insert type here]) exist in the OpenGL specifications. The PS3 uses OpenGL. Thus, the PS3 has 4d graphics. Although I am not versed in DirectX, I feel I can say with a reasonable degree of confidence that an analogous call exists in it. Can anyone more versed than I am (that is, versed at all) in DirectX [10] confirm or deny this?

saiyar:
4D graphics: My understanding of this is that it refers to real time rendering of procedural textures to create an aging effect. I really have no idea how this could be used in games. It is not like you are going to play a game where you sit and watch paint dry.

.....more to come !

p.s.

if u want to call the ps3 4D capable
- i assert the wii got the first virtual reality controller
- and got a cure for death, by installing 2 new heatpipes

p.p.s.
The true reason for Ken's dismissal:
He forgot to integrate the Flux Capacitor into the ps3, hence no 4D!

 

 



Of course not, because FFXIII, MGS4 and GTA4 won't be released this year



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There's no way Sony will reach 11M consoles sold by the end of this year. 8M likely, 9M maybe, and 10M if they're lucky... but not 11M.

As for the side discussion regarding '4D', I think what Sony was trying to say is that the PS3 will create more realistic worlds. They aren't just more realistic looking. Items, enemies, environments, etc. will effect each other and be like they are in the real world. Break a window and then touch it and your character gets cut. When an explosion happens, everything is automatically impacted by the force and reacts accordingly. Does the PS3 do that? Not to such extremes. But I imagine it's where they are trying to go and we'll see more of that this generation.



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