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CAL4M1TY on 14 November 2008
Millennium said:
Sevengen said:

WHY do you want your sytem to win? WHY is it so important to YOU. Now, don't be bashful. Speak up. I've read a seemingly innumerable number of posts extolling the virtues of one system over another, but, that really doesn't answer the question... so please don't confuse them. I'm not asking which system you believ to be better, I'm asking why you want one to win over the other.

Because over the last two generations I have watched gaming go straight down the tubes, pandering to creepy adolescent males in a race to the "best" graphics instead of focusing on what really matters. Two of this gen's consoles focus on continuing that downhill slide, while one is built around doing what the industry really needs to do: take the so-called "hardcore" down a few knowledge and let everyone else know that it's safe to come back. So naturally, I support that one, because frankly I want my hobby back.

 

That's exactly why gaming audiences have exploded over the last 2 generations, with more gamers and more demographics (average gaming age is around 33 these days).

Also, I think PS3's and 360's push (Singstar, Buzz, LBP, We're in the movies, uno etc) for games with a larger demographic shows that it's not pandering to creepy adolescent males.

@OP: Well I'm a weird case:

- I want PS3 to win because I want games on the damn thing

- I want 360 to win because it means there's a viable third party in the market (meaning more competition)



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krimoz911 on 14 November 2008

I don't want M$ or any other company in the race to be crushed, the current state of videogame market is perfect, 3 competitors with a lot of competion going on pushing everyone to show thier best.

Basicly we all win.



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reask on 14 November 2008

Human nature will make you defend the purchase you made.

After all no one likes to believe they bought a pup no matter what the item is.



 

 

 

 

Jo21 on 14 November 2008

i defend sony, but mainly it saw many people acted towards the ps3 like it killed his father and raped his brothers.



kungfuian on 14 November 2008

I'll say it straight out, I like Microsoft the least and hope they end up leaving the industry. That company is not who I want at the helm of my favorite pass time.

I just don't see them as a company with a soul that really cares about gamers or games. They're like the Borg in Startrek, assimilate everyone elses ideas and then take them out.

They are more concerned with taking out the competition and making a monopoly than anything else. Look at the 360 red ring thing for example. They knew they system was a peice of crap, but they released it early just to get a head start on Sony. So basically, they knowingly let gamers have this peice of crap (hardware wise) just to be first out of the gate. It really shows what they are all about.

I don't see how they got away with it without being forced to have a full recall. If it were any other product it would have had a full recall and the fact that it didn't is BS. It's just ludicrus. Plus they are still producing the same defective product and people are buying it up like everything is OK (anyone who says it's no longer a problem is smoking something).

For what it's worth, they seem to be keeping Sony on their toes and have done some good things in the online space, both of which are good things for the industry. But other than that, I hope they fail at buying their way into this industry and go back to making buggy operating systems.



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astrosmash on 15 November 2008
CAL4M1TY said:

That's exactly why gaming audiences have exploded over the last 2 generations, with more gamers and more demographics (average gaming age is around 33 these days).

Also, I think PS3's and 360's push (Singstar, Buzz, LBP, We're in the movies, uno etc) for games with a larger demographic shows that it's not pandering to creepy adolescent males.

 

The reason the number of consoles has been higher the past two generations (over ones before it) is because the aging gamer population has had the income to afford multiple consoles, combined with the fact that Sony's existing distribution system allowed it to easily enter markets that had previously been unserved.

 

If you look at the data for the U.S. and Japan, the percentage of households owning a console declined in gen 5 and 6.

 



Sevengen on 15 November 2008
BKK2 said:
I actually think there's a potentially very interesting discussion about how the 8-bit and 16-bit generations compare to this one, but your OP is really all over the place. I really don't understand which point you are trying to make. Normally when I see a thread title in all caps I don't even bother to read it, but I made an effort to read this one, and for my effort ended up more confused than before I read it.

Make another more thought out post without an all caps title and we might have something interesting to discuss, but how it is now, I'm really not sure what you think we should be discussing.

     I don't know dude, no one else seems to have had a problem understanding what my OP was asking, I mean, look around.. there's some decent answers. But you want me to retype everything just for you, making sure I don't put the title in all caps so you might understand it better. Weird man. Weird.

   

 



Sevengen on 15 November 2008
twesterm said:
Sevengen said:

     The last great console war was fought during the fourth generation between Nintendo's Super Famicom and Sega's Genesis. Much like Microsoft and Sony in this gen, Sega beat Nintendo to the punch and released the Genesis well before Nintendo was ready to release their successor to the NES. When Nintendo finally did push their new machine out of door, they found themselves in the unfamiliar position of underdog; Sega had captured the publics attention and loyalty with a new mascot in Sonic and a powerful console that made the NES seem anitque. The Super Nintendo was certainly a more powerful system than the Genesis and owned the unquestionable dominance of both namebrand and character recogintion, by this time Mario had been around for over a decade and his likenes was equated with the best that video games had to offer, but it still took a concentrated effort from Nintendo's part, both in quality and shrude business practice, to retake the lead they'd relinquished to a relative upstart in the gaming comminuty.

    The current battle between Sony and Microsoft involves and uncanny number of parallels to the one fought between Nintendo and Sega over 14 years ago, with two major differences: this a battle for the hearts and minds, loyalty, dollars, euros and yen of second place. The race for the finish is effectively over,  the Wii is simply going and gone. People already know and accept that to the point where it's become and underlying current to any arguement regarding the seventh generation and who wins. The victor's already been decided, by such a large and unassailable margin that the real war has turned to 'who's next'. Nintendo had created such a monster that they're almost to point of being disregarded where competition is concerned. Think Tolkien's Lord of the Rings' versus any other fantasy series.

The other difference. Forums.

That's where you guys come in, well myself also i guess. I absolutely love all the arguements, name calling, predictions, unwarranted and wholly unreasonable attachments to one console, unsubstantiated sales figures and twisted reasoning that accompanies the blazingly rediculous posts you read here at VGChartz, or anywhere where the system wars topic is prevelant. Personally, I want the 360 to crush the PS3, not because i think it's an inferior machine... just the opposite, I think it's incredible, but becuase I believe you PS3 guys are the ones that really started this system war, that's really who I want to see lose... not Sony, just you. So, knowing and understanding the reason why I want the 360 to win, I'm friekin' dying to hear the reasons that others have for supporting 'their' console so blindy, PS3 or 360. Either way.

WHY do you want your sytem to win? WHY is it so important to YOU. Now, don't be bashful. Speak up. I've read a seemingly innumerable number of posts extolling the virtues of one system over another, but, that really doesn't answer the question... so please don't confuse them. I'm not asking which system you believ to be better, I'm asking why you want one to win over the other.

Lastly, if you're not too sure about how honest competition between similiar products affects the the end result, that being the benefit to us..the consumers, read Legend11's post here:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=49147

 

The bolded part in red is where you might as well have stopped typing.  The people who constantly browse forums are a *very* small part of the gaming community.  I don't want to say we don't matter because we do, but we're nowhere near a majority of a deciding factor.

If forum-goers really meant anything, Zack & Wiki would sell fifty bajillion copies and LBP would already be nipping on its heels.

    I think forums have had a definite role in the current gen's sales figures, that's why I mentioned it as being a difference between this current system war and the one between Nintendo and Sega....Forums didn't exist back then as they do now, and word of mouth advertising is both free and necassary for any product. Without the immediate feedback of forums, I don't the RROD would have had as much an impact on Microsoft's sales as it has over the past few years, without forums, this war would still largely exist as it did back then, on the single media front created by each company, whereas now, the fans and consumers themselves get to take a much larger role in it, by voicing opinions, complaints.. really anything they want and having readily available for anyone in the world to read, instead of just telling their buddy next door.

I'll agree that forum posters are not, as you said, 'a majority of a deciding factor'.. but their weight and influence on what gets purchased and what doesn't, certainly can't be discounted. Microsoft's a very slick company where advertising is concerned and what they've created over at xbox.com, with basically a forum for anything you can think of, was done so for more than just the added benefit of it users. It's advertising, and it's certainly played it's part.

Does the PS3, or Sony, have anything like the forums at xbox.com. I would think so, I just don't know for sure.



FinalEvangelion on 15 November 2008
Alby_da_Wolf said:
I don't own any PS, One, 2 or 3, but I prefer Sony to overtake MS to avoid any risk that we'd have if MS becomes too powerful.
As we saw in the near and far past, both Nintendo and Sony leaderships were easily and suddenly overtrown by daring ang innovating competitors, with MS it could be different, they have a bad record of actions that also extend out of the law (they prefer to pay far too low fines than stop unfair but profitable behaviours) to keep leaderships or, worst, monopolies they manage to obtain.
But even without breaking the law, MS is very dangerous, as thanks to its huge cash it can afford to even lose billions to get and keep the leadership.

 

Yeah.  That's where I stand as well.  I don't mind MS being in the market as I did buy their system along with the PS3 this generation.  Seeing how the OS and Office business was run in the last 20 years by MS and all of their fair-competition violations, I don't want to see the VG industry fall into the same trap.  That's why I usually root for Sony if it's between MS and Sony.  If MS doesn't mind being a competitor in the race, that's fine. 



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Cueil on 15 November 2008
Alby_da_Wolf said:
I don't own any PS, One, 2 or 3, but I prefer Sony to overtake MS to avoid any risk that we'd have if MS becomes too powerful.
As we saw in the near and far past, both Nintendo and Sony leaderships were easily and suddenly overtrown by daring ang innovating competitors, with MS it could be different, they have a bad record of actions that also extend out of the law (they prefer to pay far too low fines than stop unfair but profitable behaviours) to keep leaderships or, worst, monopolies they manage to obtain.
But even without breaking the law, MS is very dangerous, as thanks to its huge cash it can afford to even lose billions to get and keep the leadership.

 

I think you don't follow news close enough... and besides that Microsoft is very careful of the moves they make... if they get to large they risk being torn apart like Ma Bell... Microsoft is very dangerous because they know what they want and they rarely lose site of their goals... sometimes they slip up or try to reach for something that just isn't technologicly ready(i.e. WFS)



 
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