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jesus kung fu magic said:
outlawauron said:
-Ghost_MLD- said:
Broken Bond has LIVE multiplayer

PS3 naruto game is offline only.

BB is automatically superior.

The first step to having a good game fighting game is to actually have a decent fighting system. The Broken Bond does not. The fact that Namco Bandai can make the fighting fantastic but Ubisoft can't make a decent fighting system in 2 games is inexcusable.

See, I can do it too.

Online multi is a big hit against it, but the actual quality of NUNS is a bigger factor I think than features.

The main thing going for uns is its presentation and graphics that are true to the anime.The weakest part of the game is its fighting system which is far to simplistic (one button is far to simplistic). On the other hand its the exact opposite with BB.

 

Since when is simple a bad thing. In the old Mario games, you move the stick right and press jump. BOOM! It's tons of fun.

Fable 2's combat is good for just having one button to melee.

@ segajon

But NUNS has the same aspects. You explore through Naruto's village (I can't remeber the name), do quests, etc.



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outlawauron said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
outlawauron said:
-Ghost_MLD- said:
Broken Bond has LIVE multiplayer

PS3 naruto game is offline only.

BB is automatically superior.

The first step to having a good game fighting game is to actually have a decent fighting system. The Broken Bond does not. The fact that Namco Bandai can make the fighting fantastic but Ubisoft can't make a decent fighting system in 2 games is inexcusable.

See, I can do it too.

Online multi is a big hit against it, but the actual quality of NUNS is a bigger factor I think than features.

The main thing going for uns is its presentation and graphics that are true to the anime.The weakest part of the game is its fighting system which is far to simplistic (one button is far to simplistic). On the other hand its the exact opposite with BB.

 

Since when is simple a bad thing. In the old Mario games, you move the stick right and press jump. BOOM! It's tons of fun.

Fable 2's combat is good for just having one button to melee.

@ segajon

But NUNS has the same aspects. You explore through Naruto's village (I can't remeber the name), do quests, etc.

But fable 2 wasnt a fighter and mario is a platformer.

UNS is a fighter and its weakest part is the fighting

 



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

I have the first Naruto from last year and it is pretty good.

I will get this one this year if it rates the same or better on gamerankings.com.



naznatips said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
outlawauron said:
-Ghost_MLD- said:
Broken Bond has LIVE multiplayer

PS3 naruto game is offline only.

BB is automatically superior.

The first step to having a good game fighting game is to actually have a decent fighting system. The Broken Bond does not. The fact that Namco Bandai can make the fighting fantastic but Ubisoft can't make a decent fighting system in 2 games is inexcusable.

See, I can do it too.

Online multi is a big hit against it, but the actual quality of NUNS is a bigger factor I think than features.

The main thing going for uns is its presentation and graphics that are true to the anime.The weakest part of the game is its fighting system which is far to simplistic (one button is far to simplistic). On the other hand its the exact opposite with BB.

 

 

Spamming the physical attack button will get you raped just as fast as spamming A in Smash.  Time for a lesson in video games brought to you by naznatips.

The fighting genre is often (and reasonably) divided into two distinct categories.  Brawlers and Technical Fighters.  Here, we have shining examples of both.  A Brawler uses a simple set of commands to focus on timing and combination of those simple commands.  A Technical Fighter uses complex sequences of buttons to execute the moves necessary to win (these are also the games people call button mashers, cause they are too complicated to spend time learning so people just hammer the buttons and hope that they create a special attack or combo). 

While a Brawler is not as er... complex, I suppose is the word, as a technical fighter, it's easily the much faster genre, and reaction time becomes far more important.  In Ultimate Ninja Storm for example being able to tap the guard button at the perfect moment lets you do a substitution behind your opponent.  Chaining together traps and other items with your attacks, projectiles, and support characters is the way to fight skilfully and dominate your oponenet.  Most importantly, making effective use of speed and momentum. 

To summarize: A Technical Fighter is for the person who likes to pretend he's better than everyone else because he's studied something they don't have the time or desire to learn.  A Brawler is for someone who would rather play a game on equal footing, and have the winner determined by reaction time and skill.

This honestly doesnt make sense. If the J man played a game for a month and played his friend who is playing it for the first time of course the J man is going to win because he is better (thats not unfair thats skill).

A technical fighter is obviously more complex and rewards you if you give it time , you just cant button mash in a street fighter game and hope to win with someone who has played for a long time. Its the same as BB. And RoAN had that teleport log thing as does every other naruto game.

UNS fighting is the weakest part of it. To say "equal footing" is implying that this game takes no skill what so ever. To start on equal footing means that no matter how much you play everyone will be the same level of skill as you because the game is far to simple to involve any skill. Is that what your trying to say?

 

 



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

No, to start on equal footing means you don't need a textbook to learn the controls. You are exactly the kind of person who'd rather have an advantage based on studious knowledge of something ridiculously complex than based on your actual ability to play the game.



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naznatips said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
outlawauron said:
-Ghost_MLD- said:
Broken Bond has LIVE multiplayer

PS3 naruto game is offline only.

BB is automatically superior.

The first step to having a good game fighting game is to actually have a decent fighting system. The Broken Bond does not. The fact that Namco Bandai can make the fighting fantastic but Ubisoft can't make a decent fighting system in 2 games is inexcusable.

See, I can do it too.

Online multi is a big hit against it, but the actual quality of NUNS is a bigger factor I think than features.

The main thing going for uns is its presentation and graphics that are true to the anime.The weakest part of the game is its fighting system which is far to simplistic (one button is far to simplistic). On the other hand its the exact opposite with BB.

 

 

Spamming the physical attack button will get you raped just as fast as spamming A in Smash.  Time for a lesson in video games brought to you by naznatips.

The fighting genre is often (and reasonably) divided into two distinct categories.  Brawlers and Technical Fighters.  Here, we have shining examples of both.  A Brawler uses a simple set of commands to focus on timing and combination of those simple commands.  A Technical Fighter uses complex sequences of buttons to execute the moves necessary to win (these are also the games people call button mashers, cause they are too complicated to spend time learning so people just hammer the buttons and hope that they create a special attack or combo). 

While a Brawler is not as er... complex, I suppose is the word, as a technical fighter, it's easily the much faster genre, and reaction time becomes far more important.  In Ultimate Ninja Storm for example being able to tap the guard button at the perfect moment lets you do a substitution behind your opponent.  Chaining together traps and other items with your attacks, projectiles, and support characters is the way to fight skilfully and dominate your oponenet.  Most importantly, making effective use of speed and momentum. 

To summarize: A Technical Fighter is for the person who likes to pretend he's better than everyone else because he's studied something they don't have the time or desire to learn.  A Brawler is for someone who would rather play a game on equal footing, and have the winner determined by reaction time and skill.

I haven't played Broken Bond yet but I know you could do those same things in Rise of a Ninja. So I don't get what's so special about it.

 



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UNS is a better game, but if u just have 360, get BB, its that simple.



naznatips said:
No, to start on equal footing means you don't need a textbook to learn the controls. You are exactly the kind of person who'd rather have an advantage based on studious knowledge of something ridiculously complex than based on your actual ability to play the game.

i don't really agree with this.

i can agree that having simplified controls so it's more accessible by beginners is great. but, don't agree that someone just starting should be on equal footing as someone who's played the game longer. this doesn't mean that the beginner will always be worse - only at the beginning.

and i also think that studious knowledge does increase one's actual ability to play the game.

EDIT: forgot the on-topic - i will probably get UNS instead of TBB because it's out now and i haven't treated myself to a naruto game yet. i am slightly disappointed that it doesn't cover sasuke and naruto's big fight and that it only has 25 characters. i guess i'm secretly hoping for DLC... free DLC...



mtofu said:
naznatips said:
No, to start on equal footing means you don't need a textbook to learn the controls. You are exactly the kind of person who'd rather have an advantage based on studious knowledge of something ridiculously complex than based on your actual ability to play the game.

i don't really agree with this.

i can agree that having simplified controls so it's more accessible by beginners is great. but, don't agree that someone just starting should be on equal footing as someone who's played the game longer. this doesn't mean that the beginner will always be worse - only at the beginning.

and i also think that studious knowledge does increase one's actual ability to play the game.

EDIT: forgot the on-topic - i will probably get UNS instead of TBB because it's out now and i haven't treated myself to a naruto game yet. i am slightly disappointed that it doesn't cover sasuke and naruto's big fight and that it only has 25 characters. i guess i'm secretly hoping for DLC... free DLC...

 

You're missing the point.  If you're a better player, you will still win, but you shouldn't win because of controls and rules the opponent doesn't know about.  You should win because you are faster, smarter, and more capable. 

Also, it includes through Sasuke's and Naruto's fight.  Not sure what you are talking about there.  It does only have 25 characters though, but unlike most Naruto games each character actually plays completely different.

@Goddbless they aren't special.  They are simple and easy to learn.  That's the special part.  People shouldn't be trying to screw with insane button mashing combos to be good at a game. They should be the faster and mroe intelligent player to be the better one.



naznatips said:
mtofu said:
naznatips said:
No, to start on equal footing means you don't need a textbook to learn the controls. You are exactly the kind of person who'd rather have an advantage based on studious knowledge of something ridiculously complex than based on your actual ability to play the game

i don't really agree with this.

i can agree that having simplified controls so it's more accessible by beginners is great. but, don't agree that someone just starting should be on equal footing as someone who's played the game longer. this doesn't mean that the beginner will always be worse - only at the beginning.

and i also think that studious knowledge does increase one's actual ability to play the game.

EDIT: forgot the on-topic - i will probably get UNS instead of TBB because it's out now and i haven't treated myself to a naruto game yet. i am slightly disappointed that it doesn't cover sasuke and naruto's big fight and that it only has 25 characters. i guess i'm secretly hoping for DLC... free DLC...

 

You're missing the point.  If you're a better player, you will still win, but you shouldn't win because of controls and rules the opponent doesn't know about.  You should win because you are faster, smarter, and more capable. 

Also, it includes through Sasuke's and Naruto's fight.  Not sure what you are talking about there.  It does only have 25 characters though, but unlike most Naruto games each character actually plays completely different.

@Goddbless they aren't special.  They are simple and easy to learn.  That's the special part.  People shouldn't be trying to screw with insane button mashing combos to be good at a game. They should be the faster and mroe intelligent player to be the better one.

i guess you're just making a case for easy-entry into a fighting series. like the jman (who has been in and out of character which made me question if someone hijacked the j man's account), i'm a believer in studying a game to be better at it. i don't do it to the degree i did it when tekken 3 was out, but i think it made the games more enjoyable... at least for me.

i must have mis-interpreted the one review i read regarding the big fight (it said something about the story mode ending just short of the shippudden series... which i thought was the big fight at the waterfall).

it's hard for me to grasp the idea that a one attack button can translate into 25 characters that play differently. if you could explain it to me... or not.

i actually went to the eb games to pick up gears of war 2 and naruto:uns, but i didn't end up getting the naruto game because of this thread... haha. i'm going to read more on it and then decide afterwards.