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HappySqurriel said:

Kwaad, why do you even pretend to know what you're talking about?

ArtX was a company that was made from former SGI employees and was the company Nintendo contracted to produce their GPU for the Gamecube. The Flipper was largely based on the GPU ArtX designed and sold to the US Military for flight simulations and has very little similarity to any nVidia GPU; there is a reason the military is willing to spend $10,000+ per GPU on these flight simulators rather than buy an over the counter graphics card like the Geforce 2. ATI bought ArtX and integrated a large portion of their technology into their main GPU line and this is one of the reasons why the Radeon 9800 series was so successful for ATI.


Ok, so the Wii is150x faster than a Geforce2, due to the implementation of that technology, due to the value of the price, makeing is 4x faster than a PS3/360 combined. AMAZING!

EDIT: And just to not sound quite so mean, the Wii does not support the features the GeForce5 has, and it does not have the power of a GeForce5. If you cant compare a GeForce to a Wii, because the Wii is better. Then Why is Crysis on a GeForce, and not on a Wii? Becuase the Wii is so much better, and un-comparable to a GeForce. 



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I definitely loved my 9800 pro...



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BenKenobi88 said:
I definitely loved my 9800 pro...

Yeah, the shader pipelines on that card kicked ass.



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Crono said:
There was another writeup I saw awhile back about the particular differences in the wii CPU and GPU from the GC. I wish I could find it, but it mentioned about 50 extra processor instructions per chip which added all the shader and anti-aliasing capabilities of the other 2 juggernaughts.

One of the better ones I read was some very smart people speculating on the size difference between the Hollywood and Broadway processors and their Gamecube equilivalents (Flipper and Gekko). If the Hollywood and Broadway processors received no improvements you would expect the move from the 180nm process to the 90nm process to make them (roughly) 1/4 the size of the Flipper and Gekko; what we do know is that the Hollywood and Broadway processors are 1/2 the size of the Flipper and Gekko.

The article speculated that the Broadway processor probably has double the L2 cache as the Gekko and additional instructions, and the Hollywood processor has seen the number of pixel pipelines double and the TEV unit has been improved.



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Kwaad said:
HappySqurriel said:

Kwaad, why do you even pretend to know what you're talking about?

ArtX was a company that was made from former SGI employees and was the company Nintendo contracted to produce their GPU for the Gamecube. The Flipper was largely based on the GPU ArtX designed and sold to the US Military for flight simulations and has very little similarity to any nVidia GPU; there is a reason the military is willing to spend $10,000+ per GPU on these flight simulators rather than buy an over the counter graphics card like the Geforce 2. ATI bought ArtX and integrated a large portion of their technology into their main GPU line and this is one of the reasons why the Radeon 9800 series was so successful for ATI.


Ok, so the Wii is150x faster than a Geforce2, due to the implementation of that technology, due to the value of the price, makeing is 4x faster than a PS3/360 combined. AMAZING!

EDIT: And just to not sound quite so mean, the Wii does not support the features the GeForce5 has, and it does not have the power of a GeForce5. If you cant compare a GeForce to a Wii, because the Wii is better. Then Why is Crysis on a GeForce, and not on a Wii? Becuase the Wii is so much better, and un-comparable to a GeForce. 


Kwaad you're a fool ...

I never made any insane claims about being super powerful but you seem to never acknowledge that the Gamecube was always considered by developers to be roughly equal to the XBox; look at many interviews done with Factor 5. The XBox had a modified Geforce 3 and was considered to be halfway between a Geforce 3 and Geforce 4, so how is the Gamecube roughly the same as a Geforce 2 when it is also roughly the same as a Geforce 3.5?

 



@BenKenobi88 - Just swapped mine out for a Radeon x1600, but the 9800 has been good to me.

@DonWii - Yeah you can get apple juice out of a lemon if you twist it hard enough. Of course I wouldn't suggest that the article evidences that the Wii is better or even on par graphically with its competitors, but it definitely does suggest that it isn't anywhere near as poor in that department as Sony/MS fanboys would have us believe, and that it makes up for it in other ways.

And I'm betting that said fanboys will be silenced when they see future titles better utilizing the system to produce graphics that "wow" in their own right.



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Prediction: Wii passes 360 in US between July - September 2008. (Wii supply will be the issue to watch, and barring any freak incidents between now and then as well.) - 6/5/08; Wow, came true even earlier. Wii is a monster.

I think we should be pleased with the fact Kwaad is making a legitimate attempt at contributing to a thread.



Yeah come on guys, the Wii is $250. If you expect it to be similar/same to PS3 or 360, well, its not. The graphics are better than gamecube, and in most peoples minds (besides technophiles), that is good enough graphics.



HappySqurriel said:

Kwaad you're a fool ...

I never made any insane claims about being super powerful but you seem to never acknowledge that the Gamecube was always considered by developers to be roughly equal to the XBox; look at many interviews done with Factor 5. The XBox had a modified Geforce 3 and was considered to be halfway between a Geforce 3 and Geforce 4, so how is the Gamecube roughly the same as a Geforce 2 when it is also roughly the same as a Geforce 3.5?

 


Once agian, let me show my appreation at you troling my posts. I say the Wii is a GeForce4/5. Speed of GeForce5, with shaders like a 4. Moral of the story, look at HL2 as another example. And that is about what you'll get on the Wii.

HappySqurriel - Factor 5 says whatever console they are makeing games for is god. They say the PS3 is MUCH faster than the 360 in nearly every way!
EDIT2: If Factor5 is so great, and amazing in your books, because you quote that quote every time you post responding to me. You must get a PS3 to play LAIR.

The Wii never showed anything to amazing other than RE4, and it used a GREAT inguenative texture trick. It dosent use shaders like a traditional game made in that era, it used textures, that look 3D. They somehow took 'pictures' of a wall, with wires, paint chips, and everything, rendered at super HD, with perfect lighting, and then snapped the shot, and put that picture for the wall on the game. The game looks amazing, but they cheated alot. In terms of, the Console is not 'really' rending the image you see. I mean it is, but it's not using near as much power as it looks. Overall, on a technical standpoint, Escape from Buters bay on the X-Box looked light-years better. And truthfully, I would say the GameCube was 75% X-box. I would say the Wii has roughly the Power of a GeForce 4.5

What more could you want me to say? It has the power of a GeForce9? The power of SLI 8800GTX, in 1 card. Or roughly 6x faster than a PS3's graphics card? Good god, The damn thing runs on 20w. How fast can it be?!?! The PS3 runs on over 10x more power than the Wii. Count the HDD, I'd say the PS3 runs at least 175w. Or 8x more power useage. Now, let's do a rough, power useage/power comparison. 4x would be GeForce6. 2x Would be GeForce5. 1x would be GeForce4. Once agian, it nails the Wii at ~GeForce4 graphics chip performance.

EDIT: I just want to point out, I feel the Wii has ~25-75% more power than a X-Box.



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