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Well, I just noticed it, maybe or maybe not as you say.

Also, like which hardware differences? :P



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fazz said:
Hey, I was just checking the diesize of the suposed "GPU part" of the Wii's Hollywood... its 72mm2, but the other part, is 94.5mm2...

Yes, Hollywood is a multi-chip module, with two chips: Napa and Vegas:

Napa includes the GPU, a 3MiB cache (framebuffer and textures), an IO controler, and a memory controler.

Vegas holds the Audio DSP, and the 24MiB of 1T-SRAM internal to the graphics chip.

 

Now, it is of important to note two things:

The DSP is not part of the die sizes I gave for the Hollywood's Napa, but probably is for the Flipper.

The 3MiB of cache did not change between Flipper and Hollywood. Note that this was suspected to take about a third of the Flipper's die size.

 

These two things combined mean that the space that is actually used for logic inside the GPU is likelly to have more than tripled really. And that equates to new features. What new features? No one really knows for sure.



Reality has a Nintendo bias.

What exactly does Nintendo benefit from at this point by continuing to keep much of the Wii's stats secret? The element of surprise?



DonWii said:
Diomedes1976 said:
Most developers are saying the Wii is about as powerful as the original Xbox was .I dont know why we have to doubt them when they are actually working in the hardware just to make space for a dime-a-dozen analisys about its power .I mean ,the analysis seems serious ,but after having seen so many of those lately totally flawed (most comparing PS3 and 360 ) as soon as you knew something about the machines it is hard to take this serious .

Really? I only heard EA saying that. Here, I would like to see some more evidence.

Care to show some examples on the PS3/360 argument? Not needed, but I would be interested.

 

 


Didn't you know that there's flexibility in plural and singular nouns when it helps your argument look good? That's how you turn "one developer" into "most developers".

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

So people like us don't bicker about how X's chip is N times stronger than Y's chip, because clearly that is all that matters, not innovative game design or replay value.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

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LeroyBrown said:

Wiimote is far more versitile than the six axis which is just a copy-cat gimmick that at best inhibits gameplay and doesn't even come close to doing what the Wiimote does. If they're the same why does the Wii-mote make the Wii sell like hotcakes and the six-axis make Sony fanboys cry like little girls when they find out its going to be made manditory on their next upcomming title?

I'm somewhat bemused by the fact you say the Wii isn't even a real generational step forward then contradict yourself by saying it is the only system that is really current gen while the 360/PS3 took an extra jump forward this gen.

I also can't get enough of the fact that you claim the PS3 graphics are here to stay but then nullify that by saying you're all excited about the amazing next gen graphics of the PS4.

Of course if you could actually keep your story strait then we might actually have to take you seriously as a contributor to the forum and not just a fanboy novelty of sorts for VGchartz.

P.S. Why would the Wii's successor be called the Wii4?


First, I would rather use the PS3 Six Axis for using the 'tilt' functions than the Wiimote. The controller fits so much better for holding it like a joystick, and having useable buttons. 

Second. Yup. I dont know if graphics will evolve much beyond this gen. I mean, instead of only the main character having amazing looking models, everything will. However, I dont expect to see that for at least 8 years.

Third - The Wii's Successor will be Wii2, And it's will be Wii3 and it's Will be Wii4. 



PSN ID: Kwaad


I fly this flag in victory!

Bodhesatva said:
Kwaad said:
vanguardian1 said:
everyone has their priorities and interests, ckmlb

I'll probably be using 480i until HD's sucessor comes out myself, I'd avoid LCD's and Plasma's like the plague, and I want a $250 or less price point for 32".

Holy crap dude. You arent planning on buying a TV in the next 20 years! What brand TV do you that will last that long without needing replaced?!


My TV is 25 years old. It's an RCA. TVs can last quite a long time, frankly. I honestly didn't know anyone replaced their TVs every 5 years until I came here.]

Edit: Just so no one freaks and says: "how can you play games on a 25 year old tv?" It's not totally by choice: it was mine growing up, so I kept it rather than upgrade for now. I'd prefer to spend my expendable income on computer upgrades. It's only been mine-mine, as opposed to technically-my-parents-but-I-use-it-mine, for about a year and a half. I'll upgrade within the next couple years, but TV quality has never been a huge deal to me, probably because I didn't grow up in a house that cared about it.


 Actually seeing that, now I can understand a few more things about you.

First, the Wii wont even look it's best on a TV like that.
Secnd, The extra detail the PS3 has over the Wii wont be seen.
Third, I would be in the market for a new TV.  I've never seen a 1982 model TV look better than even the first generation of LCD  TVs. The new ones make the first gen LCDs look horrible. You should look into buying a new TV. I say upgrade at least ever ~5years(Or pay someone to come in and focus your TV for ~200$). But with the new LCD's I'd maybe up that number to 10.

CRT TVs looks their focus over the years, no matter how well they were made, and need to be re-focused. My father-in-law has a 15 year old Rear Projector, and I have trouble reading text on it. (And he has it setup the best it can do)



PSN ID: Kwaad


I fly this flag in victory!

Kwaad said:
CRT TVs looks their focus over the years, no matter how well they were made, and need to be re-focused. My father-in-law has a 15 year old Rear Projector, and I have trouble reading text on it. (And he has it setup the best it can do)
How's that Kwaad? Never heard of that before... ~$200? Isn't that a bit on the expensive side? Know any page with DIY for that? :D