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akuma587 on 23 July 2007

I think Kwaad was provoked if anything. The game really does look worse than several Gamecube games I can think of (Smash Bros. and RE4 off the top of my head), particularly because it is a first party title (isn't it?). I agree that nobody would have complained if people would have dissected a PS3 or a 360 game. The 50% GC comment was a bit much, but it does look noticeably worse than the best GC graphics I have seen.

In any case, the game could be interesting as long as it doesn't get repetitive. I like games that are relaxing (I loved flOw to death). I don't think I would pay $50 for it though. $40 would be acceptable, $30 is a good number for what I have seen.



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BenKenobi88 on 23 July 2007

Smash Bros not really...this definitely looks better than Smash Bros Melee...technically anyway.

The problem with what Kwaad said was that we were having a calm discussion about the game, I think a couple of us mentioned that the graphics weren't too great, and then Kwaad came in and made a lengthy post about why the graphics are mediocre, and 50% GC, etc.

It was nothing that bad...I think we're just sick of having these overly technical, complicated debates all the freakin time.



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Kwaad on 23 July 2007
BenKenobi88 said:
Smash Bros not really...this definitely looks better than Smash Bros Melee...technically anyway.

The problem with what Kwaad said was that we were having a calm discussion about the game, I think a couple of us mentioned that the graphics weren't too great, and then Kwaad came in and made a lengthy post about why the graphics are mediocre, and 50% GC, etc.

It was nothing that bad...I think we're just sick of having these overly technical, complicated debates all the freakin time.

EDIT: And looking at that, I do feel that Smash brothers does look at least on par. 

I got my money on Kwaad hate, but that's just my take on it.

super_etecoon - It dont look better than the new smash, but it does look great. That is the level I feel all Wii games should be made. I dont know how much effort Nintendo put into makeing those new ones compared to the Wii versions, but if those games use the same % of power, the GameCube versions uses, I would say games could look at least 2x better than anything we have seen to date. That is what I want to see, and why I bash Wii graphics. I mean, comeon people. I'm being nice, and I'm just saying. Quit makeing crap games for the Wii! Damn. I am interested in good games for the Wii. Smash will be bought. Harvest Moon, Will be bought. And there's quite a few others that I will have that have been announced. The thing is, the reason I will buy those, is because I have played, and beat every harvest moon in existance almost. I would buy the Wii specifically to play harvest Moon Wii. (actually why I didnt sell it) And my wife LOVED the GameCube Smash brothers. And she really wants the new one. Other than those two we really dont have much stuff we want. I mean, if there were more that I want, that'd be great. But harvest Moon is usually medocore games at best, and the new smash, is just that. A new smash. I hope alot isnt changed because if it is, I probibally wont like the new one if too much is changed around.



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super_etecoon on 23 July 2007

Kwaad. May I direct your attention to the launch of the PS2. Most of the games that rolled out after launch looked mediocre at best. Even today when we look at the PS2 library we see a glut of games that underperform on the system. I agree with you completely about the graphics on the Wii. But it's not the architecture that is the problem. I think much of the problem comes from the fact that the Wii caught most developers off guard. Nintendo in First Place? No freaking way did anyone think that could be a possibility two years ago. And it takes two to three years to make great games. I think the Wii should be given a year allowance as far as third party development is concerned. We even gave that to the 360. the first game to truly utilize the power of teh 360 was Gears...wasn't it?



ArtofAngels on 23 July 2007

You are a huge Harvest Moon fan? You have risen +10 respect points.

I'm obsessed with that franchise.



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Kwaad on 23 July 2007
super_etecoon said:
Kwaad. May I direct your attention to the launch of the PS2. Most of the games that rolled out after launch looked mediocre at best. Even today when we look at the PS2 library we see a glut of games that underperform on the system. I agree with you completely about the graphics on the Wii. But it's not the architecture that is the problem. I think much of the problem comes from the fact that the Wii caught most developers off guard. Nintendo in First Place? No freaking way did anyone think that could be a possibility two years ago. And it takes two to three years to make great games. I think the Wii should be given a year allowance as far as third party development is concerned. We even gave that to the 360. the first game to truly utilize the power of teh 360 was Gears...wasn't it?

 I expect it to take at least another year for games to max out the Wii. But my point is, 90% of Wii games dont look better than GameCube games. Sure PS2 games didnt look exactly amazing right off. But they looked HELLA lot better than PS1 or N64 games! My point is, Wii games on average, dont look better than GC games.



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akuma587 on 23 July 2007

Way to troll RolStoppable.  Glad to see someone is filling GBallZack's shoes.

 In any case, I don't think the PS2 argument that someone proposed holds water here.  Isn't the argument people make for the Wii is that the tech is easy to use because it is familiar architecture?  The PS2 was cutting edge when it came out, not at the end of the generation, but it was when it came out at least by console standards.

 I don't see any excuse considering this is a first party game.  This game should look better than this.  It doesn't look terrible or anything, but it isn't up to par.  It's not like the devs need as much time as they normally would to flesh out the system.  I think Nintendo just put their Tier 2 people on this game.  They have a finite number of developers, which I understand, but the fact of the matter is that this game looks worse than some GC games, although the Wii is supposedly more powerful than the original Xbox.  The casuals the game is aimed at won't really complain, but I expect more out of Nintendo.

 

  



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Avalach21 on 23 July 2007
Kwaad said:
super_etecoon said:
Kwaad. May I direct your attention to the launch of the PS2. Most of the games that rolled out after launch looked mediocre at best. Even today when we look at the PS2 library we see a glut of games that underperform on the system. I agree with you completely about the graphics on the Wii. But it's not the architecture that is the problem. I think much of the problem comes from the fact that the Wii caught most developers off guard. Nintendo in First Place? No freaking way did anyone think that could be a possibility two years ago. And it takes two to three years to make great games. I think the Wii should be given a year allowance as far as third party development is concerned. We even gave that to the 360. the first game to truly utilize the power of teh 360 was Gears...wasn't it?

 I expect it to take at least another year for games to max out the Wii. But my point is, 90% of Wii games dont look better than GameCube games. Sure PS2 games didnt look exactly amazing right off. But they looked HELLA lot better than PS1 or N64 games! My point is, Wii games on average, dont look better than GC games.


90% doesn't equal "on average."  Do you even think before you type or do you just spill out nonsense Wii bashing?



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super_etecoon on 23 July 2007

Agreed, Kwaad. On average though, they have been more fun. I played Marble Mania today and had something akin to a meditative trance going on. I had the feeling that the marble and the entire Marble Mania world was contained in my wii mote and the TV was just showing me an image of that world. Kinda weird, i know. But what the Wii lacks in graphics it makes up for it in immersion. I know you've heard it all before, Kwaad. Maybe we've all just been having the same argument/discussion for the last year, but we have to make concessions. I concede that the graphics on the Wii are below what even a gamecube title should look like. Can't you concede that Wii games have more of a tendency to be fun (read...make u laugh, smile) than typical console games, regardless of genre?



eatrice on 23 July 2007

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I thought the duct taped reference was funny. I even mentioned the comment to my girlfriend and she laughed. But you hear that? VOOOOOM...the humor just got sucked out of this thread.