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akuma587 said:
Bodhesatva said

 


Ah, then if expense is your concern, you should definitely get a Wii. You can buy one for half the price of a PS3, and it comes with a game! In addition, the new games are 10 dollars cheaper, so you save money in the long run, as well.


Lol, you can't just give the polar extremes and say that those are the best two options.


Do you deny they are the best two options given your apparent requirements? I meant that honestly. Are you denying that the PC has superior controls to the PS3/360, or that the Wii is cheaper than the PS3/360?  Honestly, I'm curious. I'm not being coy. Answer these questions, very specifically:

1) Do you believe that the PS3/360 gamepad has more precise controls than a Mouse/Keyboard?

2) Do you believe the PS3/360 are cheaper than the Wii?

I assume your answers are "no" and "no," and if so, then I don't see what mistake I've made.  



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kber81 said:
Bodhesatva said:

Ah, then if expense is your concern, you should definitely get a Wii. You can buy one for half the price of a PS3, and it comes with a game! In addition, the new games are 10 dollars cheaper, so you save money in the long run, as well.


 PS3 provides best possible graphics for $500 also console games are much better than PC's (I don't count FPP shooters and RTS in).


 Actually, the PC games are much better than console games. I think that's fairly clear (I don't count action or platformer games in). 

 



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You can't say PS3 is better than PC and then say (I don't count FPS and RTS games)...that's where the PC usually is best.

PC FPSs and RTSs will always be better than console versions...unless it's some crazy control scheme that only seems to work with dual analog sticks or something...



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Bodhesatva said:

Actually, the PC games are much better than console games. I think that's fairly clear (I don't count action or platformer games in).

 


 No it's not and I think most people on this forum disagree with you.



BenKenobi88 said:

PC FPSs and RTSs will always be better than console versions...unless it's some crazy control scheme that only seems to work with dual analog sticks or something...

Like I said in my earlier post, the mouse/keyboard combo isn't everyones cup of tea.



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akuma587 said:
Bodhesatva said

 


Ah, then if expense is your concern, you should definitely get a Wii. You can buy one for half the price of a PS3, and it comes with a game! In addition, the new games are 10 dollars cheaper, so you save money in the long run, as well.


Lol, you can't just give the polar extremes and say that those are the best two options. An up to date PC has the best specs, but is undoubtedly the most expensive. A Wii is definitely least expensive console, but is also the weakest console, by a considerable margin (anyone see Spiderman or Harry Potter on Wii???). That doesn't mean the Wii doesn't have advantages in other places, but that is not the issue. The PS3 or the 360 are somewhere in between, and are good options for a lot of people. First party publishers are able to do some pretty phenomenal things as well since they often build their own engines, their own tools, and do not rely on stuff like DX 10 (which is fantastic), but it limits the game in some ways because it is not hand-made for that game.

In any case, every console/computer can do something better than the others, so the point is somewhat moot.


This is really what I was (indirectly) getting at, Akuma, although the last line is something I think you disproved yourself.

What does the PS3 do best? I'm really interested to know that. It's not the cheapest, it doesn't have the best graphics, it doesn't have the largest library of games, and its controls are neither the most customizable nor the most precise. It doesn't do anything best.

But I will tell you what it does do: it gives a great middle ground for some people (the ones you mentioned above, who don't want to spend too much money, but will spend a good deal, and who don't care too much about graphics, but care somewhat) and most importantly, it has games you can only play on that platform. If you personally like those specific games, then the PS3 is the best system for you. 

I was being deliberately obtuse to prove a point, Akuma. People try to discredit the Wii and PC at times by saying "It's too expensive," or "The graphics aren't good enough," or so forth. The problem is that every one of those arguments can be thrown back in the PS3's face. The PC has better graphics than the PS3, it has more precise controls, the Wii has a larger game library, and it is cheaper. Instead of arguing that the PS3 is the best of the best, simply argue that this specific system is the best system to meet your specific needs. Which is totally cool, by the way! I just am tired of people trying to make the arguments I've listed above. 



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kber81 said:
Bodhesatva said:

Actually, the PC games are much better than console games. I think that's fairly clear (I don't count action or platformer games in).

 


No it's not and I think most people on this forum disagree with you.


If our metric for quality is majority opinion, then obviously most people don't agree that the PS3 has the best games, either. It is by far the least popular console of this generation. Therefore, the PS3 is the worst. 



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Poseidon said:
BenKenobi88 said:

PC FPSs and RTSs will always be better than console versions...unless it's some crazy control scheme that only seems to work with dual analog sticks or something...

Like I said in my earlier post, the mouse/keyboard combo isn't everyones cup of tea.


"Not your cup of tea" is far different from "not as precise." It's totally cool if you don't personally prefer the mouse/keyboard. 


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Bodhesatva said:

If our metric for quality is majority opinion, then obviously most people don't agree that the PS3 has the best games, either. It is by far the least popular console of this generation. Therefore, the PS3 is the worst.

 

Please. This is just silly. You act like a kid. What are these PC games that humilate consoles? Starcraft? WoW?



kber81 said:
Bodhesatva said:

If our metric for quality is majority opinion, then obviously most people don't agree that the PS3 has the best games, either. It is by far the least popular console of this generation. Therefore, the PS3 is the worst.

 

Please. This is just silly. You act like a kid. What are these PC games that humilate consoles? Starcraft? WoW?


What? This isn't relevant to my post. You said that most people don't agree that PC games are the best.

Again, if you believe that the best measurement for system quality is popularity, then the PS3 is the least popular platform of this generation (it's difficult to tell how many people have high end PCs). Therefore, the PS3 (or PC, perhaps, although I think at least 4 million people have bought high end PCs in the last 2 years) is the worst platform of this generation.

 



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