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Kasz216 on 30 September 2008
Sam Yikin said:
The Republicans blaming this on her is idiotic.... it was a moronic idea to give that speech, but changing your vote on something this important because she hurt your feelings is just ridiculous.

I heard a good arguement for why they changed their minds though...

A LARGE number of people were going to vote against this on principle, but were convinced, after having there arm twisted over and over again... to just this once take one for the team, and do something both unpopular and against their better judgement because their party leaders asked them too... and because as a bipartisan act they had political coverage.

Then Pelosi mader her speach to try and throw all political blame on the republicans taking away the political coverage.

So why then should they just take one for the team even when they think it's a bad idea?

 



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Kasz216 on 30 September 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Sqrl said:
FYI - From what I've heard the majority of Pelosi's so-called "leadership team" voted against the bill as well.

Make of that what you will =p

 

The only thing I can think is she didn't want it to pass, and the best way to make that happen is to do this. That, or she really is that stupid.

As for being a Republican Shill? I am not a republican, and I am not blaming Nancy, I am thanking her. I love the fact that the bill did not pass. I am just saying that if you did want it to pass, this woman should be lynched.

She wanted it to pass.... but not without 100 republican votes.  She said outright she wouldn't let it pass if they didn't have the 100%. They had the votes to pass it but wouldn't "jump off the bridge alone."

Though in the end since the repubs only needed like 80... it was obvious she blinked on that bluff anyway and just didn't have enough political clout to pass the bailout and bring in some extra Dems.

 



bigjon on 30 September 2008
NJ5 said:
Sqrl said:
NJ5 said:

I'd like for one of the Palin supporters/defenders to post a video/transcript of one of her best moments.

That would be a start towards convincing some of us that we're wrong in thinking she's a plain screwup.

 

 

I'd like one of the Palin haters to explain how she has the highest approval rating of any Governor in the US if she is such an idiot.  Dumb luck? 

The problem with this whole thing is that before she was the center of a national race she had already proven she could be an effective executive officer.  But now suddenly the media jumps in and takes a dump all over her and folks like you ignore her past and gobble up the media narrative instead.

 

 

I think people would like more assurance than just an "approval rating" which context is not known. If she was able to show us a glimpse of organized and informed thought about the issues which matter for the presidency, that would be very reassuring.

All I've seen from her is ignorance, dodging questions and platitude parroting. She always looks like a student who didn't study for an oral exam trying to BS her way through it.

 

Funny, that is what I see Obama do to every question. Most of the time he answers it from every  angle and both sides. He sounds like he is quoting from a textbook.

I know this sounds cliche... But Obama is just book smart, Palin definitly has more common sense, just right now she is lacking someone the technical knowledge required to look smart in an interview. Seriously, have you heard some of his off the cuff answers? He thinks the U.N. should pass a resolution against Russia.... Just stupid. The only difference is that the media did not drag that throw the mud like they have the Palin interview.

Ps- If you don't know why it is stupid for Obama to say that the UN should pass a resolution against Russia look it up in your 7th grade civics book.

 



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NJ5 on 30 September 2008
bigjon said:

Funny, that is what I see Obama do to every question. Most of the time he answers it from every  angle and both sides. He sounds like he is quoting from a textbook.

I know this sounds cliche... But Obama is just book smart, Palin definitly has more common sense, just right now she is lacking someone the technical knowledge required to look smart in an interview. Seriously, have you heard some of his off the cuff answers? He thinks the U.N. should pass a resolution against Russia.... Just stupid. The only difference is that the media did not drag that throw the mud like they have the Palin interview.

Ps- If you don't know why it is stupid for Obama to say that the UN should pass a resolution against Russia look it up in your 7th grade civics book.

 

Common sense? I don't think so, sorry. Someone with common sense wouldn't be saying she has foreign policy experience because she lives near Russia (she's never even been there or provided any evidence that she had negotiations with them). If this is what passes for common sense, that's very scary.

Regarding Obama vs Palin, Obama has at least shown that he can perform an analysis of a subject. I haven't seen anything from Palin resembling a rational analysis. To answer a question, she brings up all sorts of tangential points into a mish-mash of material which is barely related to the matter at hand.

Watching Palin's adventures in this campaign is like watching a train crash in slow motion, just funnier. Let's see how this goes in the next few days.

 



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Kasz216 on 30 September 2008
NJ5 said:
bigjon said:

Funny, that is what I see Obama do to every question. Most of the time he answers it from every  angle and both sides. He sounds like he is quoting from a textbook.

I know this sounds cliche... But Obama is just book smart, Palin definitly has more common sense, just right now she is lacking someone the technical knowledge required to look smart in an interview. Seriously, have you heard some of his off the cuff answers? He thinks the U.N. should pass a resolution against Russia.... Just stupid. The only difference is that the media did not drag that throw the mud like they have the Palin interview.

Ps- If you don't know why it is stupid for Obama to say that the UN should pass a resolution against Russia look it up in your 7th grade civics book.

 

Common sense? I don't think so, sorry. Someone with common sense wouldn't be saying she has foreign policy experience because she lives near Russia (she's never even been there or provided any evidence that she had negotiations with them). If this is what passes for common sense, that's very scary.

Regarding Obama vs Palin, Obama has at least shown that he can perform an analysis of a subject. I haven't seen anything from Palin resembling a rational analysis. To answer a question, she brings up all sorts of tangential points into a mish-mash of material which is barely related to the matter at hand.

Watching Palin's adventures in this campaign is like watching a train crash in slow motion, just funnier. Let's see how this goes in the next few days.

 

That's just not true at all... not that it's any indication of common sense... but she's demonstrated how she's had trade negotiations with many foreign countries.

 



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whatever on 30 September 2008
bigjon said:
akuma587 said:
bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Anybody who votes based on their feelings should be fired. I'd rather have Congress-bots in there with no emotions, actually analyzing every option and choosing the best. Feelings are for babies, not for government. Call those fuckers a Waambulance, bitch pleeze.

 

 If we took emotion out of voting, Obama would be in big trouble. Many of the people who support him do so with their hearts. He gives them a "good feeling". Notice I said alot, not all of his supporters are all emotion. But it does seem to be a pattern.

Because Republicans obviously never stir up anti-abortion sentiments, anti-foreign sentiments, racist sentiments, relgious sentiments, faux-patriotic sentiments, fearful sentiments, anti-government sentiments, and even anti-female sentiments.

Seriously bigjon, quit blaming Democrats for the same things that the Republican party is as guilty or more guilty of doing.

 

 

 I was reffering to this election. Obama and McCain, and it is a different kind of emotion. With Obama it is a ooeey gooee type feeling some people get over him. With bush it was his charater and ability to stand for what he believes. Also, we do live in a dangerous world so reminding people of the danger of terrorist while striking an emotional cord is needed.

The thing about abortion is that both sides feel strongly about it to begin with. On one side you believe murder is legal, and the other you feel your personal rights are being exploited. The dems use emotion more there, they act like abortion will be illegal if McCain is elected. Rasicm? LOL. Obama and a few dems are TRYING to create a race issue. Did you not see the ad where he tried to compare Limbaugh to McCain? Anti- Foriegn? Maybe, although I never noticed it. Religous? Yea I'll give you what one, but Religion is very do to many people and seeing secularist like Obama and Kerry does worry people. Anit-Gov? yea I get into that one, the gov just ruins most things it touches. So much waste. Anti-female? Lost me there.

My point I was not reffering to emotional issues. I was reffering to people "voting with their hearts"

You have to admit Obama has more of that than McCain. And therefore if people stopped doing it all together it would hurt him. I never No One votes for McCain out of Emotion. Obama has more of it. Thus the better connection with Women and Young People.

 

Where did you pull this crap from?  With Bush it was the fact that more people would have wanted to sit and have a beer with him than with either Gore or Kerry.  The ooeey gooee feeling if you like to put it that way.

Just as many people will vote for McCain based on personal feelings.  Don't be so biased.  Your credibility may slip even lower than it is already.

 



NJ5 on 30 September 2008

By the way, from a quick google search it seems both Obama AND McCain called for UN resolutions against Russia.



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Sqrl on 30 September 2008
NJ5 said:
HappySqurriel said:

How is that different from any other politician?

 

Every politician spews a certain amount of BS when they don't know much about the subject at hand. Palin, however, does it in virtually 100% of the questions. I'd like to see a few counter-examples, but no one seems to have any.

By the way, this doesn't seem to be a new thing for her:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html

 

 

I've seen the couric interview probably a half-dozen times now as each of these conversations come up and I don't see her doing anything different from what other politicians do in their interviews.  I only thought she had problems on two questions and those two questions really aren't that important and don't mean much of anything (ie Rick Davis' former company and McCain's legislative history).

PS - BTW - Halcro is one of her biggest political enemies in Alaska..but thanks for posting his article anyways.  You talk about how we know nothing about her and yet you yourself have quite clearly done little or no research.  Halcro has made numerous attempts at ruining her career in Alaska so taking his word on it is pretty much like taking Iran's word on it that they aren't developing nukes.
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NJ5 on 30 September 2008
Kasz216 said:

That's just not true at all... not that it's any indication of common sense... but she's demonstrated how she's had trade negotiations with many foreign countries.

 

Not true? I've seen at least two clips where she talks about her geographical proximity with Russia when asked about her foreign policy experience.

I haven't heard of these trade negotiations... Google's results for palin "trade negotiations" aren't very promising:

Palin's mysterious trade missions - War Room - Salon.com

NO PALIN TRADE MISSIONS WITH RUSSIA ON RECORD - New Developments ...

(etc...)

 



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Sqrl on 30 September 2008
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

That's just not true at all... not that it's any indication of common sense... but she's demonstrated how she's had trade negotiations with many foreign countries.

 

Not true? I've seen at least two clips where she talks about her geographical proximity with Russia when asked about her foreign policy experience.

I haven't heard of these trade negotiations... Google's results for palin "trade negotiations" aren't very promising:

Palin's mysterious trade missions - War Room - Salon.com

NO PALIN TRADE MISSIONS WITH RUSSIA ON RECORD - New Developments ...

(etc...)

 

The first link is a liberal news site and the second is a forum =P

 
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