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Goddbless on 26 September 2008
Griffin said:
mrstickball said:
bbsin said:

ol.

No other dev in history has better car manufacturer relations than PD. The tracks in the GT series has always been more realistic than Forza's, the car movements, details and handling has always been more on point than Forza's. Forza has better A.I, online and customization options than GT. Either way, there's nothing "laughable" about thinking GT is a better series, most car enthuists play it and move reviewers has given the series better scores than Forza. Both games have their strong points, but GT has always been more realistic in terms of car details and handling than Forza. Ones that do not know much about Kazunori Yamauchi, PD, or just cars in general, are the ones that are likely to disagree.

 

Forza Motorsports - 93.0% Average Rating

Forza Motorsports 2 - 90.0% Average Rating

Gran Turismo 3 A Spec - 94.3% Average Rating

Gran Turismo 4 - 89.1% Average Rating

Taking the last 2 franchise games, GT only has a higher review average of 0.2%. Replace GT3 with GT5p, and there is no actual comparison in which series the reviewers think is better.

As for attention to detail for racing physics, I guess my question would be "How can a game that pays no regard to crash physics, at all be considered the most accurate to date?"

Ultimately, what will matter is when GT5 and FM3 launch, so we can get an actual side by side comparison of the 2 newest racing sims on the market. It's hard to compare games when they're staggered so much.

 

 

GT4 was viciously attacked by some reviewers thats why its average is so low.  And the crash physics in Forza2 are laughable at best, and they have no real impact on the game.  And each game has retarded AI so we can't compare that.

 

And you have never played Forza!

 



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FilaBrasileiro on 26 September 2008
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?



freebird4 on 26 September 2008
FilaBrasileiro said:
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?

Calm down Sparky.

 



FilaBrasileiro on 26 September 2008
freebird4 said:

Calm down Sparky.

 

Sorry, but it's just that 2 posts above his we already addressed that issue and not only that but he also tried comparing a prologue to a full game.

 

 



Xbox_Nation on 26 September 2008
FilaBrasileiro said:
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?

 

Wait!? Hold the phone here this game sold at retail price $40.00, This game was reviewed as an actual GAME NOT a DEMO but a GAME by many Gaming sites, so You're saying we should let let the so called "PROLOGUE" slide because it's not a full game yet many video game sites reviewed it like it actually was?



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FilaBrasileiro on 26 September 2008
Xbox_Nation said:

 

Wait!? Hold the phone here this game sold at retail price $40.00, This game was reviewed as an actual GAME NOT a DEMO but a GAME by many Gaming sites, so You're saying we should let let the so called "PROLOGUE" slide because it's not a full game yet many video game sites reviewed it like it actually was?

 

Hold the phone? WTF?

Look at this you phone holder:

6 dictionary results for: prologue

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This pro·logue <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P08/P0822700" mce_href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P08/P0822700" target="_blank"><img src="http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif" mce_src="http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" /></a> [proh-lawg, -log] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -logued, -logu·ing.

–noun
1. a preliminary discourse; a preface or introductory part of a discourse, poem, or novel.
2. an introductory speech, often in verse, calling attention to the theme of a play.
3. the actor or actress who delivers this.
4. an introductory scene, preceding the first act of a play, opera, etc.
5. any introductory proceeding, event, etc.: Appetizing delicacies were the prologue to a long dinner.
–verb (used with object)
6. to introduce with or as if with a prologue.
Also, prolog.


Know that you have educated yourself and know what a prologue is, don't ever compare it to a full game again, people that bought GT5P knew EXACTLY WTF they were buying


bbsin on 26 September 2008
Xbox_Nation said:
FilaBrasileiro said:
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?

 

Wait!? Hold the phone here this game sold at retail price $40.00, This game was reviewed as an actual GAME NOT a DEMO but a GAME by many Gaming sites, so You're saying we should let let the so called "PROLOGUE" slide because it's not a full game yet many video game sites reviewed it like it actually was?

You're good at fanboyism, but fail at logic.

No one said GT5P was a demo, It's just not a full game. Do new full games cost $40.00 at retail? mostly, no. Is Gran Turismo 5 prologue the same as Gran Turismo 5? no. Try reading the same reviews that you're touting in more detail and you'll notice that all of them acknowledge that GT5P is not a full game, just another "concept/prologue" GT game.

 



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skeezer on 26 September 2008
Xbox_Nation said:
FilaBrasileiro said:
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?

 

Wait!? Hold the phone here this game sold at retail price $40.00, This game was reviewed as an actual GAME NOT a DEMO but a GAME by many Gaming sites, so You're saying we should let let the so called "PROLOGUE" slide because it's not a full game yet many video game sites reviewed it like it actually was?

People would pay 40 dollars because the know they are getting a quality game...not because its a full game, wait till GT5 is out.

 



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DOATS1 on 26 September 2008

gran turismo is better than forza in my opinion. i don't know why people claim forza is more realistic though. i wonder if the people who make these claims actually drive a car...

apart from the crash physics, gran turismo's actual driving physics is much more realistic compared to actual driving in my opinion.




Xbox_Nation on 26 September 2008
skeezer said:
Xbox_Nation said:
FilaBrasileiro said:
Xbox_Nation said:

I don't know but let's compare that last 2 Gran turismo OVERALL scores to the last 2 Forza motorsport Games shall we...

 

 

Release date: NA February 22, 2005

Gran Turismo 4 - PS2
Avg Ratio: 89%

& Release Date: May 3, 2005

Forza Motorsport - XBOX
Avg Ratio: 93%

 

Forza Motorsport 1, GT :ZER0

Round 2: Release Date: April 15, 2008

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - PS3

Avg Ratio: 80%

&

May 29, 2007

Forza Motorsport 2 - X360

Avg Ratio: 90%

Forza:2, GT:0

Do you wanna Dispute this? Clearly Forza quality are top notch, Funny how Forza 2 managed to outscore GT5:P when that game came out a year later.. and had time to improve.

 

Did you not read the 2 posts above yours? Are you really fucking comparing a PROMOTHERUCKINGLOGUE to a a FULL GAME? Are you fucking retarded?

 

Wait!? Hold the phone here this game sold at retail price $40.00, This game was reviewed as an actual GAME NOT a DEMO but a GAME by many Gaming sites, so You're saying we should let let the so called "PROLOGUE" slide because it's not a full game yet many video game sites reviewed it like it actually was?

People would pay 40 dollars because the know they are getting a quality game...not because its a full game, wait till GT5 is out.

 

 

Yeah when is that coming 2010...? yeah..Ouch 3 forza games since 2005, & Another one headed in 2009 by Turn 10..Yeah When was the last Gran turismo Game 2005? 3 forza Games coming out in under 5 years..YIKES!