Welcome, another anti-Sony fanboy.

Ah...Sony's failed formats.  Here we go again.  Be sure not to mention their CD and DVD formats...I hear they worked out a little better.

Microsoft won't lower their prices, and you consider that a good thing?  Okay.  Probably a reason their sales have barely been better than the PS3s the last several months.

Wii good for exercise?  Eh, ok.  DDR is better for exercise. 

You are seriously arguing the great deal the $200 HD-DVD player is?  Really?  Even the Elite 360 doesn't have Wifi, card readers, or free online play.  And yet, it costs $20 less now.  If you add on an hd-dvd player you're at $680.  What a great deal.  If you got the core look forward to 120GB for $180 to even play online games.  Premium?  No HDMI and only 20GB.  What a steal.  $600 with the hd-dvd player, too.

Hey, those are great reasons Sony is ok.  Good job.

PS:  late on the ridge racer joke, they already made fun of it. 

This is just so stupid. It's a price cut, end of discussion. Yeah there was a $500 20GB model but Sony never really produced the damn thing and very few places actually sold it, so lets drop the total BS. Demand for the 20GB was awful, just like it is for the core 360 which sells like absolute crap and my guess is will be dropped all together sooner rather than later. They're models early adapters don't care for at all. Something like 98-99% of all PS3s sold are the 60GB model, and that model is getting a drop. I'm no Sony fanboy, but a price drop is simply a price drop. Jesus the haters will go to rediculous lengths.

Jack Tretton said it wasn't a price cut. That should have ended of discussion.

 Beautifully said, all very good points.

Here's why I see it as a price cut:

The 60GB PS3 is a "complete" PS3, whereas the 20GB PS3 formerly at that pricepoint was not. It didn't have the card reader, it didn't have WiFi, etc. It was nerfed. I'm not going to pay $500 for the CRAP version of a $600 item. I debated long and hard whether to get the $600 PS3, but the idea of getting the $500 one didn't last more than ten seconds.

For that matter, if my PS3 (I did eventually get it) broke down and all I could get to replace it was the 80GB version, I'd face a new conundrum. No Emotion Engine? Nerfed.

No one sees the trick here.

Sony will say, "While Supplies Last" for the 60 gig.

60 gig runs out, 80 gig becomes price of 60 gig with the game bundled.

Call me stupid now, but lets see in a few months.


Minidisc was EXTREMELY successful in Japan. Whole sections of stores sold mini-disc players when I was there.

 The 20gb PS3 IS and WILL ALWAYS be a complete PS3. You can't say it isn't - it has all the features necessary to play games, what little games is has ... but it's a functional machine right now. Sony was the company who said it wasn't ... and yanked it like a bad lil boy.

 Like it's been stated earlier - who cares about wifi, a stinkin' card reader and bigger hd space? It's NOT NECESSARY to game. A nice addition? Maybe ... but I am old enough to have seen just how far wifi has come - it's very unreliable compared to a wired connection - and when the wifi radio dies - and trust me - they do quit transmitting (I have 5 wifi routers that just ... stopped working/broadcasting) and guess what still worked? You guessed it ... the wired router part of the wifi router. Funny, huh?

Still, I am old enough also to remember the VHS-BetaMax fight ... and I am not about to hop into it ... for what? A few sharper pixels? Please. I have over 400 DVDs and not too crazy about switching formats until the sharpness is lightyears past the current DVDs ... and it's just baby steps.

 And someone earlier called me an anti-PS fanboy - not true. I am a reformed PS fanboy - I know how they operate - got a PS1 opening weekend, a PS2, a PSP opening day, the PS2 HDD kit with Final Fantasy - and close to 200 PS games. I have watched them make tons of mistakes - orphan products - and just release something else ... and a lot of folks have been stuck in the cold, wondering 'I paid my hard-earned money for this crap?!'

Sony is handing the hard-fought crown over on a silver platter.

And price cut? You think that's for YOUR benefit? These clowns have FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGED that the PS3 stateside was on life support ... and said their fire sale would revive it. For some folks, they think they are getting a great deal - wow! 60gb of greatness, and a Blu Ray player? Plus 5 free Blu Ray movies? Where do I sign up? Yet ... it's not a good deal. Sony's jackass decision to include Blu Ray was a horrible mistake.

Guess what? What if MS added *Blu Ray support* to the 360 at the same price? It's not so much prices with fans, but fans want ... GAMES. And Sony, big, giant crabs and all (they should go to the clinic and get that checked), is sitting around, really thinking they are gonna win. They won the PS2/Xbox scrap because of GTA exclusivity. That single-handedly killed the Xbox ... 

Ironic that now all the sudden the 20gb is called gimped by the Sony fanboys when just a few months ago it was a great value for those who didn't need a card reader or wireless connector.

 1) Sony's involvement with CD was dwarfed by Philips, who still controls the term "CD" and the redbook standard. The reason for its success has more to do with Philips than Sony

 2) Toshiba was the major designer of DVD, with Philips/Sony contributing EFMPlus. Again, Sony had little to do with its success (other than by not creating another format war like Beta v VHS.)

 Sony does have a pretty lousy record with formats, and usually only succeed when they don't try to single handedly dominate the development group. Its not because people just imagine this, its because its happened so many times.