The Xbox 360 had Kameo.

The single most underrated game of this generation.

LMAO @ this thread being alive.

Sony could have been much more successful this gen if they released a console somewhere in between Wii and 360 priced at $300, it seems to be the sweet spot for them. $600 probably turned off a lot of PS2 owners, many of them probably switched to Nintendo or MS becayse of it.

Next gen I think all consoles will be under $350, and the leap in power will be very small, the huge horsepower increase has proven only a money pit so far.

I think any company would be foolish to break the $400 mark.

No prob, CGI.

Now back to the issue at hand.  I think it's pretty obvious what Sony will do.  As many have said before, they will just go for upgrading what they have now and not a completely different chipset.  Having said that, I still think they will end up with the most powerful system in the end.  The Cell is really incredible when used properly.  Seeing a game rendered using an upgraded version, as well as whatever advanced GPU they go with, would probably make my eyes explode.  Especially when you look at it's capability to make calculations on the fly.  The Folding@Home app already shows an example of this.  Now just think of the complex physics calculation or advanced A.I. an upgraded Cell could pull off.  Considering the costs of Blu-ray, making Cells, and larger HDD's will have gone down incredibly by then, they should be able to pull it off rather cheaply.  I would imagine $400 would be the max asking price.

Next gen also poses a different environment for MS and Nintendo.  Blu-ray will definitely be the norm by then, or at least hold a majority market share, so what will they do?  No one will want outdated DVD tech.  Imagine how small your games would be on one disk, with all the new improved graphics.  Maybe an hour or two.  I see them having three options...

1. Spend millions upon millions coming up with their own format, which they can't make profit off of with movies or music, only slightly with games.

2. Settle for slightly improved hardware over this gen, so as not to need as much space.  Now that may have worked for Nintendo this gen, but I seriously don't see it working for them or MS next gen.  And to those of you who think we have not much more to go in terms of graphics, I say you're wrong.  When we can pop in a game and think it's a Pixar movie, then we have nowhere to go.  Granted Ratchet and Clank comes close, but not close enough.  Definitely need to completely do away with these pixelated shadows and draw distances.

3. Or go with Blu-ray.  But if they do that, Sony profits no matter which system you buy.  Kinda devilish if you ask me.  LOL.

Well that's my two cents.

In Terms of what MS and Ninty will do. Well Im not to sure what MS has planned but I have a strong feeling that Nintendo will be sticking with their own variation of DVD-9's. I'm not sure what their using but they'll probably op for DVD-9's and release a system as powerful as the current 360.

Microsoft I see them trying to make a push for DD but they're probably waiting to see how the reception is for the PSPGO to have some form of idea where consumers stand on DD vs Physical media. OR MS could just make their own version of HD-DVD call it something else and they avoided Sony all together.

But Yes no one of the big 3 will even think about  breaking the $400.00 barrier again, since it really killed the top dog of the last two gens

Obviously it should be more powerful, but still alot of it the same. I'm hoping they continue with with a more beefed up CELL. More cells in the CELL (double, triple?) so to speak, and more memory. If they do that, more AI, better physics, graphics, etc will ensue. They also need to figure out a way to make developing for teh CELL easier. Through a better abstraction layer or core library, dev kit, or something.

FULL BC. Also offer alot of the PS1/PS2 library on PSN. PS3 library on PSN might be a bit much for those games that are several gigs large.

Should still have blue-ray. Graphics are the same DVD or BRD but you can cram far more of the textures and other resources into one BRD vs a DVD.

Must continue with XMB. Maybe an upgraded one to start with. Unless of course they come up with some virtual reality menu, lol.

Actually if Sony is smart and continue on with Blu-Ray they really need to update that driver speed. I heard when loading up GTAIV for the 360 it only takes like 3 seconds to get past the initial artwork

^^^ Blu-ray is here for the long run. because of it's versatility, it will out last DVD's. It has so much momentum now, that it cannot be stopped. Sales are blowing the industry away. So, just like DVD faster and faster drives will be made over time.

If MS goes the way of DD only, they will seriously fuck themselves in the ass! I mean, most will have gotten heavely into BD's by then, and would buy the system/s that play them. M$ ploy to confuse the cosumer with the 2 HD formates failed miserably and all what they implied in the past about Blu-ray just has made them look even more stupid. I think they have to bite the bullet and go Blu if they want success next gen. Bringing back HDDVD in their next system would be a huge risk, IMHO. it's a fair hike away and BD's will be in full force accross the board by then.

I never said graphics won't get better. I said that the leaps are getting shorter. When it does peak, companies will need to prove themselves with the more important things like innovation, etc, etc

I think most underestimate what the next wii will be. I think it will stick with motion control but as for media I honestly think both microsoft AND nintendo will by pass Blue Ray for 2 reasons mainly, one being BR is based around Sony (big No! for both) and secondly because both Microsoft AND Nintendo like to push Sont to the side when it comes to Sony trying to bring something"new" to the market" Look at it from a gamers perspective there is absolutely NOTHING that blue ray gives us compared to DLDVD as a gamer except for vast wasted space. I as most of a lot of my friends just see BR as niche product that wont last long. It'll either be DLDVD or a new flash based media with "unbreakable" protection. Though I wouldnt put it passed Nintendo and see them push with holographic media

bah, PS4 doesn't need a better CPU. It's got a perfectly functional one. I'm not even going to go into the develpers side of things. The PS3 does great at vector crunching, beats everything out on the market. It's not the CPU that needs to be fixed. It's the rest of architecture that's bad. Needs more streamlining(will increase performance) and most of all it needs advanced GPU with a good shader technology. The one it currently haves is substandard and you can see it with all the side by side comparisons with the 360. 360 does lighting and shading better and that's the only reason why people bring up that 360 graphics "look" better. PS3 stomps in the vector, but after a certain point you don't see much improved vector per model much. You will always notice the shaders for the next few gens.