i live in Spain, and it's true that wii is available, but it is selling much more than ps3

This is definitely why this thread is as lighthearted as it is. Doing the simple math, Portugal amounts to approximately .25 percent of the total market, or .0025.

We aren't saying that this isn't important, or that it isn't good news for Sony, Ck. But come on, it's something worth having fun with. Sony has a 17 percent lead in .0025 of the market? Weee!

Do smaller markets matter, when only 2 countries speak portuguese, therefor getting less games translated to that language, and selling less games per console?

during the past week the ps3 sales held steady and the 360 sales just dropped below ps3 sales in Europe according to vgchartz numbers, portugel inst really a huge country for sales.

That's not nice at all. For Kazakhstan, I mean.

About the numbers, they are GFK's, released by SCEP. The country-manager of SCE announced that 20k units have been sold since launch (this is consumer sell through, not shipments), noting that this is 4x what the PS2 sold in the same time since its launch, and 20x better than the original Playstation. The other numbers released at this time is that 92% of all home consoles sold since PS3 launch are Playstations, and 84% of all next-gen home consoles sold since PS3 launch are PS3s. There were given no hard numbers on the installed base of either the Wii or the 360, with the manager cleverly dodging those questions and referring to the "market share since PS3 launch" (prossibly because he is not allowed by GFK to disclose the competition's numbers in detail - not going into conspiracy mode here). All that was disclosed about the installed bases of both the 360 and the Wii, is that it seems it took the PS3 three weeks to overcome them, independently, not combined.

Now, I can't find any sources at all (reputable or not) for those Wii and DS numbers, much less sources citing GFK or other tracking firms. They may be nothing more than clever assumptions based on the above numbers, or anonymous tips given in forums (which not long ago all pointed to the Wii having sold a lot less than 10k units, much less 20k...), so take those with a grain of salt. I also can't find a source citing DVD-Wii speculation, nor would the paper that originally reported this info (which secured the interview with SCE's country manager) publish that sort of speculation.

Anyway... pretty irrelevant market, aren't we?

For reference: http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Tecnologia/Interior.aspx?content_id=42459

Dolla Dolla said: Next up: Kazakhstan

I've lol'd so LOUD my parents came here to see what's happening and then get angry to me.

Shame on you. ¬¬

Sony dominance begins with... Portugal?

Sorry, is Portugal still a country? I just figured Spain invaded them in the 1800s and no one in Europe bothered to stop them. Or even announce that it happened.

Actually, "Spain" never successfully invaded Portugal. One of their kings had to marry one of our princesses for them to achieve dominance in the 1600s, and still... we bothered (specially about his offspring). In the 1800s, it was the French that invaded us (and Spain), and still, we (and Britain) bothered.

Our borders are pretty much 750 years old, when they were settled through... you guessed it, another (very shoddy) royal marriage - this time around, portuguese king with spanish princess (he was already married, but what the hell).

Now, there is an ongoing border dispute over 750km2 of land since the 1800s, but I doubt you even knew that.

I've found the source for the remaining numbers, and they do seem to come from Concentra, the company responsible for bringing Nintendo products to Portugal (which btw, does a pretty shitty job at that). They seem pleased by those numbers (which further confirms my notion that they suck, beyond the delays, the prices, and the fact that some retailers skip them entirely, as evidenced by their products coming with stars).

One thing I question, though, is whether dominating small markets at this point in time is relevant in any way. It's not like we make trends - we're "doomed" to follow them. I mean, if another console: a) dominates worldwide; b) wins the UK or, a little less importantly for us, Spain; and c) localized versions of FIFA and PES come out for it (those, and some kid's games, are the only games we don't play the UK versions of)... I'm guessing it'll eventually become popular anyway, even if it's not marketed well enough. Further, I'd say that pretty much the same should happen for every smaller market. What do you think?

gah, for the record, in early april, PS3 had sold 4835 in New Zealand.  This was more than the Wii in this calendar year.
But for life time at that stage, Wii had sold 10k... So I am not too sure where you are getting this 7.5k..