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DOATS1 on 19 August 2008

sony flopped this generation, simple as. but you can't remain the best forever. what i find funny is that the nintendo fans seemed to have instantly forgotten what happened to nintendo 2 generations ago. just because sony flopped this gen doesn't mean they are incapable of coming back. even nintendo had to go through a bad couple generations.

sony have established themselves in vg market, and are capabale of taking top spot next gen. i'd rather sony have the rep they have now than microsofts, even if microsoft's console is second, you can never ever imagine an xbox dominating. it's more of a floater console in my opinion.




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Soleron on 19 August 2008
Spankey said:
steven787 said:
Spankey said:
Soleron said:

The PS3 Fanboy To Reality Dictionary has this entry for Rise:

"Level to slight fall over a non-holiday seven month period and failing to beat Xbox 360 consistently, while not even threatening the Wii's dominance."

 

I prefer this graph: http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

What is that graph supposed to show?

The sales rate is declining, not rising. Of course total sales rise, but if you want to make that comparison then PS3 is still 3rd place.

This denial is really funny.

Do you really think a $400 PS3 is going to beat $200 360's this Chrismas.

No HDD, no wifi, no bluray conceded... but 200 bucks is 7-10 budget games on 360. Chrismas buyers love budget games.

It's a great console, I don't understand why you guys feel the need to justify it's place in the sales rankings.

Why does it matter if people like or buy what you like and buy. Enough are buying to sustain the software. Even if PS3 never makes a dime, Sony will still be making a PS4.

 

 

Which part refers to me?

If it's the first part then the graph, as it states, shows hardware sales from launch, clearly showing the PS3 selling faster from launch than the 360, yet not as fast as the Wii. the "rise" is the rise above the 360's sales over the same period.

I'm not justifying anything, just pointing out a different interperetation of the data.

If the last part refers to me, I'm lost. I've never asked anyone to like the same things as me. How boring would the world be then?

 

Unfortunately, the rise on that graph is imaginary, because it neither translates into PS3 being second in total sales now (because sadly for you, the Xbox 360 did launch earlier than the PS3) or ever (since it isn't consistently selling more that the Xbox 360 so will never pass it in total sales). Unfortunately, it's total sales that determine the "winner" because developers usually prefer to target the console(s) with the highest installed base(s) regardless of how good third place is actually doing.

 



colonelstubbs on 19 August 2008

What gets me is how suddenly everyone around here has become an RPG fan. Its like people just jump on whatever bandwagon they can find that goes against the PS3.

Blu ray sucks!
No HDMI!
It has a lack of RPGs!!!!

I mean seriously, its pathetic. Its almost as bad as everybody suddenly becoming a fan of Japanese RPGs when the 360 secured some exclusives.

Bandwagons...you just cant beat them....but apparently you have to join them!



I hope my 360 doesn't RRoD
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Cypher1980 on 19 August 2008
KZ2 said:

In 2006, Sony released the PS3 under heavy scrutiny by the media and gamers alike. The list of PS3 bashing just piled up. Out of the gate, the bashing started: HDMI wasn't needed...Blu-Ray wasn't needed...high price...lack of games...no rumble...hard to develop for...HDMI not included...inferior hardware...online sucks...Space not needed. Sony fails at format wars. Sony lies. Sony is arrogant. No choice. Bad backward compatability. 1080P not needed.

From launch, the PS3 had many features that weren't applauded. Given the trend of negative Sony news, good things were thrown aside like: Linux, Internet browser, replaceable hard drive, open ended development, free online, reliable hardware, motion sensing controller, and future proof features like HDMI and Blu-Ray.

As of June 2007, Sony had fixed a lot of issues. The PS3 bashing had dwindled down to lack of killer games, Blu-Ray necessity, no rumble, high price, online sucks, no HDMI cable .

One year later, Sony has fixed just about everything that can be done. The biggest issue was price, which dropped. Now price is no longer an issue. Blu-Ray won the format war and has proved to be a necessity in gaming. Carmack demonstrated that compression leads to graphical loss. He further demonstrated that DVD9 is getting tight on space. Rumble is here along with killer games. In 2 months LittleBigPlanet will surface. Online no longer sucks. What's left is a lack of an included HDMI cable.

Sony has made further improvements to seal the deal. In game XMB is here. Trophies and custom soundtracks have been released. PSN has an online video store. HD audio has surfaced. PSP and PS3 have merged together.

Today the antiPS3 arguments are meh at best. Some scraps that have surfaced have now moved on to PS3 lack of RPGs, and?....meh. Only things I see now are people stealing PS3s. Maybe some blind hatred for the PS3 without anything to back it up. I agree that PS3 has a lack of RPGs but that issue is not nearly as bad as the price issue last year. Is there anything else left? I know there's something....there always is.

Quote : Now price is no longer am issue !

 

Great statement of fact on what is a very subjective issue. For me the price is still a problem

 



blazinhead89 on 19 August 2008

The generation has Just began really, its a good time to be a gamer, IMO a lot of people will eat crow



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HappySqurriel on 19 August 2008
colonelstubbs said:
What gets me is how suddenly everyone around here has become an RPG fan. Its like people just jump on whatever bandwagon they can find that goes against the PS3.

Blu ray sucks!
No HDMI!
It has a lack of RPGs!!!!

I mean seriously, its pathetic. Its almost as bad as everybody suddenly becoming a fan of Japanese RPGs when the 360 secured some exclusives.

Bandwagons...you just cant beat them....but apparently you have to join them!

 

You do realise that the PS2 was the best RPG system of the last generation, and many of the "Core" gamers who owned the system bought it because of its RPGs, don't you? Since the SNES and Playstation pushed RPGs into the mainstream they have seen growing popularity with each generation ...

They haven't quite seen the popularity of sports games, but you could imagine how many people would complain if a system didn't have any sports games.



woopah on 19 August 2008

gotta love bandwagons



 nintendo fanboy, but the good kind

proud soldier of nintopia

 

MikeB on 19 August 2008

@ Soleron

since it isn't consistently selling more that the Xbox 360 so will never pass it in total sales


IMO it's far too early to come to conclusions, till the upcoming holiday season this will only be the PS3's second year on the market (or less for most of the world). Maybe you underestimate the effect a slimline PS3 or other factors in the future could have.

Most analysts predict the 360 to end a distant third this generation.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

blazinhead89 on 19 August 2008
colonelstubbs said:
What gets me is how suddenly everyone around here has become an RPG fan. Its like people just jump on whatever bandwagon they can find that goes against the PS3.

Blu ray sucks!
No HDMI!
It has a lack of RPGs!!!!

I mean seriously, its pathetic. Its almost as bad as everybody suddenly becoming a fan of Japanese RPGs when the 360 secured some exclusives.

Bandwagons...you just cant beat them....but apparently you have to join them!

Well said Colonel

Darc Requiem on 19 August 2008
nitekrawler1285 said:
I don't quite understand all the bashing the ps3 got myself.

1. I don't really remember any time a system launched with a bunch of great titles. Generally it's like one or two standout titles and a bunch of crap. 360 and Wii suffered the same problems. I just hear less people talking about it.
You are right for the most part. Outside of the Dreamcast, I can't recall a console that had an excellent launch line up.
2. Loss of BC sucks. I didn't hear that many people bitching about it on the 360 and I'm sure Sony will fix it in time much like Microsoft did and get some extra money selling those old games again instead of letting retailers of used games get all the profits. If you really care that much i believe you can still scout one of the mgs bundles to get BC.
I disagree with you here. 360 owners were complaining about the BC on the system. Not only that Sony execs and fanboys were quick to mock the 360's BC issues. This is part of the reason Sony and there fanboys get so much flack on the BC issue. They made point to market the PS3's near perfect BC and then unlike the 360 the BC has gotten worse on PS3 going from hardware to software to none at all when it comes to PS2 games.
3. I don't remember nearly as many complaints about the Xbox library being mostly ps2 ports. More games equal more for gamers to play. No one is bitching about Capcoms ports for Wii.
Reviewers often remarked how they were disappointed that 360 launch titles were original X-box games in HD. I can't speak for the community at large but there are several posters here that complain about Capcom's Wii ports. Heck look at any of the Dead Rising Wii threads.
4. Sony's online wasn't as good as Live at Launch. Microsoft's Live wasn't as good as it is now at 360's launch. They added a lot of things to live over the course of the first year of the 360. it didn't come with in game dashboard and plenty of features that were added later. I remember because i did tech support for the 360 which is a large part of why i will never buy one.
I've had a 360 since launch. It had in game Dashboard from the beginning. Sure Live has had other features added over the course of time and that's part of Sony's problem. They are always playing catch up to live. Live is always adding new features and Sony never seems to catch up. Consumers aren't going to care that Live has been around longer they are just going to see it as more feature rich. Plus certain things, like having to install demos after downloading them, was never an issue Live had but one that PSN continues to have.
5. Interesting is a matter of opinion. I haven't found much that's interesting at all this generation of games on all consoles so far. But that's why i never buy a system when it first comes out. i wait for libraries to evolve and present something that i do find interesting. I do hang out with many people who do so i can get impressions of the software lineup but all three have been vastly disappointing to me.
I can respect that. I wish more gamers followed your logic. Too many people buy consoles assuming that they will receive certain games and get angry when they don't.
6.Installs suck on the ps3, now everyone rejoice because the 360 is going to get them?!?
The problem most gamers have with PS3 installs are that they are mandatory. The upcoming 360 install update is optional. Mandatory installs aren't an issue for some but I personally don't like the idea that I am going to have save "x" number of GBs for each game I play. It takes away from the plug and play nature that makes consoles convient. The costant system updates are annoyance enough. The 360 updates allows those that like installs to get their load times cut downs and those that just want to pop their discs in the tray to both get their way.
7. Price drops will happen over time. If i don't pick up a ps3 this winter for LBP the only "Next Gen" game I'm still looking forward to, i'll be waiting for a 299 price point which i expect to be here no later than March 2009 which will give the online community some time to blossom and see if it's really worth it. Or if they bundle a ps3 with LBP and a ps eye for 399.

The last part is your personal, and well thought out, PS3 purchasing plan. So I have no reason to respond to it.