Sony will be even weaker next gen if they continue to keep trying, they're following Nintendo's trend of the N64 and Gamecube, except I really don't see a Wii in their future.

Here's some crow for you:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/19/the-sony-reciprocal-ps3-losses-surpass-ps2-profits/

Lol.. Don't go sputting words like you're not a nintendo fanboy. I've seen worse trolling and fanboyism from you back then.

Edit: and probably recently....

A lot of people didn't see a "Wii" in Ninty's future.

Just sayin.

Yes and no ... It all depends on how far you go back and what you were looking for.

Regardless of what people talk about on web-forums, Nintendo was never not a major player in the videogame industry because their Gameboy line was so dominant. It was really just a matter of time before Nintendo was able to duplicate their success with handhelds in the home console market, or someone else was going to take the handheld market away from them. No one saw the 'Wii' comming, but that doesn't mean that no one thought that Nintendo could become a major player in the home console market again; I personally didn't think Nintendo could 'Win' at Sony and Microsoft's game, and when I saw the TGS2005 video I thought "They did it!"

Here's some crow for you:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/19/the-sony-reciprocal-ps3-losses-surpass-ps2-profits/

So PS3 already used up all the PS2 hardware sales profit.

Reading comprehension is a lost art. Um companies usually make profit from software. Thats why Sony is copying the Nintendo strategy of 1st party which is why Nintendo has profited from every console they've created. Because 30 million+ people like rehashes of Zelda and Mario.

Its easy to bleak about Sony's future. They were #1 everyone wants them to fail. So if the Wii's userbase is senior citizens and non gamers and the Xbox has a paltry 20 million after 3 years what does that tell you? That people are riding out the world wide economic stall untill prices drop, please see Japan and the boom of cheap portables to combat insane cost of living expenses. (Which has gotten so bad that many Japanese aren't having children.) And who will be there waiting for them? The Xbox 720 with complete digital distribution for $500 or the PS3 with hundreds of games for a cool $250. And people thought a 10 year life cycle was stupid.

@Ail: PC:s strength is that everyone has one. Besides, PC developers need to make a "low settings" version for the game anyway, which doesn't really use the graphics strength.

@Jerry: No, the number is combined SCE profit during the PS2 years, so it includes hardware, software and licensing.

I can't believe someone is still believing in the ten years plan. Who would buy PS3 when next gen comes out? The early adopters? People who bought Wiis? Nobody. Besides, Sony will push PS4 with all they can, in order to have a better shot in the next gen.

Perhaps a zoomed in version of the graph can help you see my point

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=94

How can you not see from the graph that at 93 weeks after launch the PS3 has shipped an estimated 14 877 947 units of hardware.

Over the same period, i.e. 93 weeks after it's launch, the Xbox360 had moved 11 178 066 units.

The Wii has numbers for only 91 weeks in which it's moved 31 065 756 units of hardware.

Therefore, the PS3 is selling better than the Xbox360, even though it's had to condend with the Wii for all but two weeks of it's lifespan.

This represents a rise over the 360 sales, or do 3 699 881 units not count?

 True, but Nintendo has always exercised an understanding of the Market Sony never has. Even in nintendo's worst days they never went into the red. Unless Sony is going to create a console identical to the Wii's successor at a cheaper price with more innovation, there's no chance of them recovering. And even then, there is really no reason to think they're capable of such a feat. Furthermore, Microsoft and Sony missed out on the "Casual Gaming foot in the door to Market Dominance" trend, no matter what they do they will be behind Nintendo's lead. The Gamecube for example was Nintendo's attempt to follow in the footsteps of the market and audience that made Sony so successful with the Playstation, however Sony had already too much momentum for them steel the market back no matter how hard Nintendo tried to superficially copy their market strategy.

Will Nintendo be the dominating force forever? Who knows, what I do know is Nintendo is the only company who has been in gaming all seven generations (And before you try to correct me, they distributed the very first Video Game Console, the magnavox odyssy, in Japan during the first generation and released their own Color TV Game series and Game & Watch series the second generation), the only Company solely invested in video gaming, the only Company who has been forced to come to terms with their own dated business idealogies and in response to which completely restructured their company and its vision to adapt, and the only Company actively pursuing means of diversifying and expanding the pre-existing video game market.

Sure Microsoft and Sony will attempt similar revivals, but do you think Nintendo is so short sighted as not to stay one step ahead? Do you think Nintendo is really so naive as to only pursue Casual gaming until someone does them one better? Do you really think Nintendo isn't constantly adding on to and grooming their already formidable "think tanks" of fresh and experienced industry talent on how to keep innovation, change and industry trends in their favor? Do you think Sony really stands a chance of surprising anyone by advertising their industry/market ambitions, strategies and future "innovations" 4-10 years in advance while Nintendo keeps everything a closely guarded secret, not even announcing a game such as Pokemon Platinum until four months before its release?

The problem with a Console like the PS3 that sells itself on "potential" and "future proof" is that in order to do so it has to show all its cards to the industry years in advance. Hell, no sooner had the PS3 came out then we were hearing information about what the PS4 would be.