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swyggi said:

deathcape said:
Link would clearly win...he has more practical moves and practical items and practical magic..while Kratos is just over the top and cool looking

Practically I like the word practical, but I'll only use it in a practically practical manner

Cane of Byrna or Nayru's love..damn...and Kratos loses...he can't even HURT Link then..

How? Why? You answer none of these important questions

Link can do too much...more than Kratos

Like..............what?  What can he do that outranks Kratos in shear force?

go to the light and dark world, travel through time, deflect any magic....

Not going to help in a one-on-one fight

the master sword is all-powerful mind you...

Not even close,  it's just the sword of evil's bane aka: A sword meant to kill Ganondorf in the Zelda universe.


(side quest swords are..and will always be side quest swords)

Kratos has chains? Link has double Claw shot...Kratos can only cut with his..Link can freaking pull Kratos' swords away from him..or pull Kratos closer.. man...no matter HOW you look at this..Link HAS to win

There are so many things wrong with your logic in this sentence.  Link isn't remotely close to Kratos' strength.  Because Kratos can only cut with his weapons, that makes Link more able to beat Kratos?   

 

 You're also thinking in terms of gameplay standards.  How exactly are Link and Kratos going to fight with the same "gameplay" or rather movements? They move much differently with much different attributes, different physics in the world etc. 

 

 

meh...you're dodging my questions (the ones I asked afterwards anyway)

name a single thing Kratos could do to hurt Link..please..enlighten me

if you can defeat me in a battle of wits I'll give up and declare Kratos the winner



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deathcape said:
swyggi said:
deathcape said:

did I forget to mention?

 

Link can STOP time with the Phantom Hourglass or Phantom sword..and split into four of himself (Four Sword)..each wielding the massive arsenal of items and weapons

 

I hate fanboys..how can kratos possible fight Link?...he'd die pretty fast...

 

 Here's the problem, you're combining story lines from different games and putting them together.  That's called magical thinking.  We don't know what would happen in some of those events and how Link could actually utilize them, therefore invalid.  You also don't know what Kratos might do in those situations either, so again more uncertainty. 

here's another problem: over the last few pages we;ve been putting together all the character's powers over the course of their games

so it's magical thinking..just like it's magical for Kratos to have slayed two gods....it would mean you compile the games together..

do that with LoZ and you might undertsnad how unfair the fight is

 

Just like it's magical thinking that Link killed an evil sorcerer?  Dude, that's actually part of the storyline in those games.  So yes it IS fair game that Kratos killed two gods BECAUSE it's part of the GOW storyline.  The Zelda storyline simply doesn't have the luxury of that because there are different Links in several of the Loz's.  As opposed to the GOW storyline which has a sequel one after another still containing the same storyline in each installment.

 

 

 



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@Swyggi They all take place in the same universe(except the timeline splits but the same universe still) so why wouldn't it count?



Now which Link are we talking about since there have been many of them....



Former something....

deathcape said:
swyggi said:

deathcape said:
Link would clearly win...he has more practical moves and practical items and practical magic..while Kratos is just over the top and cool looking

Practically I like the word practical, but I'll only use it in a practically practical manner

Cane of Byrna or Nayru's love..damn...and Kratos loses...he can't even HURT Link then..

How? Why? You answer none of these important questions

Link can do too much...more than Kratos

Like..............what?  What can he do that outranks Kratos in shear force?

go to the light and dark world, travel through time, deflect any magic....

Not going to help in a one-on-one fight

the master sword is all-powerful mind you...

Not even close,  it's just the sword of evil's bane aka: A sword meant to kill Ganondorf in the Zelda universe.


(side quest swords are..and will always be side quest swords)

Kratos has chains? Link has double Claw shot...Kratos can only cut with his..Link can freaking pull Kratos' swords away from him..or pull Kratos closer.. man...no matter HOW you look at this..Link HAS to win

There are so many things wrong with your logic in this sentence.  Link isn't remotely close to Kratos' strength.  Because Kratos can only cut with his weapons, that makes Link more able to beat Kratos?   

 

 You're also thinking in terms of gameplay standards.  How exactly are Link and Kratos going to fight with the same "gameplay" or rather movements? They move much differently with much different attributes, different physics in the world etc. 

 

 

meh...you're dodging my questions (the ones I asked afterwards anyway)

name a single thing Kratos could do to hurt Link..please..enlighten me

if you can defeat me in a battle of wits I'll give up and declare Kratos the winner

 

 What questions?  I just answered them.  Kratos by storyline is a much more powerful character therefore he would win.  It's that simple.  What? You want a step-by-step explanation?  Too bad, there IS no explanation because that would include gameplay elements from which any random thing can be said.  There's so much unknown in that area that we'd never get to the bottom of it.  You yourself would keep constantly saying things like "Well Link could do this if Kratos did that"  it would be a neverending discussion.  Storyline is the ONLY way to decide the outcome in these kinds of debates. 



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sc94597 said:
@Swyggi They all take place in the same universe(except the timeline splits but the same universe still) so why wouldn't it count?

 

 Timeline splits or not, they're different.  There's not even a Ganondorf in some of them.  Certain things like places and people would have to remain the same and then stack upon each other for a direct sequel in order for two or more Zelda's to be together. 

 

MM and OoT are really the only two that come to my mind due to Link wanting to travel on his own after the OoT events happened.



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@Swyggi, but all these items still exist, and could be obtained. Also Link was searching for somebody(most likely navi) then there is evidence that a certain number of games take place after he is returning to hyrule from termina. Also they are basically the same person but he is reborn. Pretty much the same for Zelda, and some of the Ganons.



Is anyone else noticing that the arguments for Link go into detail on weapons, items, the way they can be used, point out that Link has also beaten Gods and ways in which he can become invulnerable, as well as tactics that can be used to counter Kratos attacks and tactics.

Arguments supporting Kratos constantly go "Kratos would kill Link"(no other supporting points made) or "Kratos killed a god/is immortal" and "Kratos led an army, which somehow is proof he's not dumb, and not easily tricked, as one would be led to believe by how he was apparently tricked into killing his own family"

When I first got into this, I thought it would make a really cool debate, but the only place I see any real thought taking place is on Link's side. So this is kinda getting boring now.
Is there maybe someone who can actually offer a compelling argument about how Kratos would take on Link, defend against Link's attacks, successfully deal with his defenses, and then actually manage to attack successfully? I mean, with that it would at least make it look like Kratos stands a chance, but with arguments as they are now, I'm actually MORE convinced that Kratos would get his butt kicked.



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sc94597 said:
@Swyggi, but all these items still exist, and could be obtained. Also Link was searching for somebody(most likely navi) then there is evidence that a certain number of games take place after he is returning to hyrule from termina. Also they are basically the same person but he is reborn. Pretty much the same for Zelda, and some of the Ganons.

 

 They could be obtained, but weren't part of the main storyline therefore not canon.  Several of them are never mentioned as key elements specifically in terms of use for the storyline.  The Master Sword is canon because it's a key element in the Entire of Zelda.  It might not be in some of the 2D Zelda's yes, but you could still use it in an argument for the other Zelda's who had it like LttP or OoT.  That's what's confusing about Zelda in this, when it's appropriate to use an item as canon.  The only thing you can really do is pick a Zelda and use what Link can do in the storyline in that Zelda as an argument.  If it doesn't work out, use another one, but you can't mix them unless they're actually a part of each other. 

It's true that Link was reborn as someone else plenty of times, but many of those times he was reborn contained so many different entities and characters that it wasn't the same world with the same physics. 

 

 



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Grey Acumen said:
Is anyone else noticing that the arguments for Link go into detail on weapons, items, the way they can be used, point out that Link has also beaten Gods and ways in which he can become invulnerable, as well as tactics that can be used to counter Kratos attacks and tactics.

What Gods?  Who has Link beaten that was a God?  Ganondorf is not a God by any means.  Also, it's easy to go into detail about Links weapons because you can use them in several different ways in Loz.  That doesn't tell us how it would effect Kratos though.  How can you?  This goes back to gameplay, in which we hit a road block again because you can't determine how things would happen.  You can't prove that Link would be able to even bring Kratos close to him with a hookshot. Kratos doesn't follow the rules of the Loz games because he's not a part of them. 

Arguments supporting Kratos constantly go "Kratos would kill Link"(no other supporting points made) or "Kratos killed a god/is immortal" and "Kratos led an army, which somehow is proof he's not dumb, and not easily tricked, as one would be led to believe by how he was apparently tricked into killing his own family"

That kind of argument is about as far as you CAN go in these discussions. 



When I first got into this, I thought it would make a really cool debate, but the only place I see any real thought taking place is on Link's side. So this is kinda getting boring now.
Is there maybe someone who can actually offer a compelling argument about how Kratos would take on Link, defend against Link's attacks, successfully deal with his defenses, and then actually manage to attack successfully? I mean, with that it would at least make it look like Kratos stands a chance, but with arguments as they are now, I'm actually MORE convinced that Kratos would get his butt kicked.

 

You're convinced because you're only reading what you want to read.

 

 



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