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bdbdbd on 13 August 2008

@ferret: In (which one was it) Korea it's not.



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TWRoO on 13 August 2008
ferret1603 said:
Wii "others" - 193,067
Wii Sports "others" - 188,574

How does this work? The numbers have always been identical before so I assumed Wii Sports was bundled with the Wii in all "others" countries.

It was launched in South Korea not too long ago, which doesn't have Wii Sports bundled.

So we can assume the Wii sold over 4.5k in S.Korea (unless there is another region without it)

 



DMeisterJ on 13 August 2008
madskillz said:

I hate to do it, but ...

<dumb-ass gif>

Seriously.

It's getting old.

It was funny two years ago, but it's really not funny now.  Unless you're calling ioi a liar?  He has said that there is a shortage of PS3s.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1086191

Seriously guys this is silly. There are widespread shortages of the 40GB PS3 as in what is in stock is selling out and not being replenished and 80GB is arriving in limited quantities. PS3 is hard to find at the moment, online and in stores.

So can you drop that dumb gif now?  Cause again, it's really getting old.  I'm sure that you're more mature than to keep parading around a gif when we have proof that there is a shortage.  I don't think you're that blind.



Gobias on 13 August 2008
DMeisterJ said:
madskillz said:

I hate to do it, but ...

 

Seriously.

It's getting old.

It was funny two years ago, but it's really not funny now.  Unless you're calling ioi a liar?  He has said that there is a shortage of PS3s.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1086191

Seriously guys this is silly. There are widespread shortages of the 40GB PS3 as in what is in stock is selling out and not being replenished and 80GB is arriving in limited quantities. PS3 is hard to find at the moment, online and in stores.

So can you drop that dumb gif now?  Cause again, it's really getting old.  I'm sure that you're more mature than to keep parading around a gif when we have proof that there is a shortage.  I don't think you're that blind.

 

I wouldn't be so sure...



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fastyxx on 13 August 2008
Viper1 said:

You completely missed the whole point.  I mean completely.   When a genre, target audience, product price point, etc...is not represented well, it's an open market for the taking.    It's called a blue ocean.   The Wii itself is a blue ocean and now a blue ocean exists within itself.

All you're doing is comparing medium and low budget titles with themselves.  You have not seen a high budget AAA 3rd party title on Wii yet.  The door is wide open.

fastyxx said:

And remember that DS and Wii games cost less at retail than PS3/360 games so the profit margin is lower.  

You just proved you don't know the difference between revenue and profit margin.   I'm done debating with you.   If you can even understand the basic fundamentals there is no point in even bothering my time.

For the record, profit margins are higher on DS/Wii.  It's overall revenue that is lower but even that's not due to the MSRP because retailers don't buy games at MSRP (we do).

On the latter, I meant gross revenues - it was late.  My apologies.

 

But I think you're looking at it wrong.  If your choice is to spend an equal amount of development time/resources/cash on either a Wii-centric game or a PS3/360 game, it's no contest.  The reason people develop for the Wii and DS is because the development time/resources/cash it costs is much lower and hence they can make profit on a vastly lower number of units sold.

Million-selling non-Nintendo Wii titles:  11 ( versus 15 first-party)

Million-selling non-Sony PS3 titles: 10 ( versus 6 first party)

Million-selling non -MS 360 titles: 33 (versus 9 first party)

 

Seven of the 10 PS3 3rd-party titles are on 60 as well, and also sold million+ there.  It's no contest for developers for big titles.  You just aren't going to see big 3rd party development consistently for the Wii.  The risks are way too big.  The fact that the PS3 has the same number of million-sellers as Wii is crazy, based on install base.  And I am COUNTING Wii Sports and Wii Play, which really shouldn't count because they are essentially freebies with hardware.

 

Plus on 360, you get an easy PC port if you want.  On PS3/360 titles you have DLC opportunities to aid in profitizing your game.  

 

 



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trestres on 13 August 2008

@fastyxx: Hmm, for the Wii  there are 14 First Party million sellers and 13 Third party ones, with an extra one happening in about 3 weeks, so its not a FIRST PARTY DOMINATION like some may think, the ratio is even 14:14



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Viper1 on 13 August 2008
fastyxx said:
Viper1 said:

You completely missed the whole point.  I mean completely.   When a genre, target audience, product price point, etc...is not represented well, it's an open market for the taking.    It's called a blue ocean.   The Wii itself is a blue ocean and now a blue ocean exists within itself.

All you're doing is comparing medium and low budget titles with themselves.  You have not seen a high budget AAA 3rd party title on Wii yet.  The door is wide open.

fastyxx said:

And remember that DS and Wii games cost less at retail than PS3/360 games so the profit margin is lower.  

You just proved you don't know the difference between revenue and profit margin.   I'm done debating with you.   If you can even understand the basic fundamentals there is no point in even bothering my time.

For the record, profit margins are higher on DS/Wii.  It's overall revenue that is lower but even that's not due to the MSRP because retailers don't buy games at MSRP (we do).

On the latter, I meant gross revenues - it was late.  My apologies.

 

But I think you're looking at it wrong.  If your choice is to spend an equal amount of development time/resources/cash on either a Wii-centric game or a PS3/360 game, it's no contest.  The reason people develop for the Wii and DS is because the development time/resources/cash it costs is much lower and hence they can make profit on a vastly lower number of units sold.

Million-selling non-Nintendo Wii titles:  11 ( versus 15 first-party)

Million-selling non-Sony PS3 titles: 10 ( versus 6 first party)

Million-selling non -MS 360 titles: 33 (versus 9 first party)

 

Seven of the 10 PS3 3rd-party titles are on 60 as well, and also sold million+ there.  It's no contest for developers for big titles.  You just aren't going to see big 3rd party development consistently for the Wii.  The risks are way too big.  The fact that the PS3 has the same number of million-sellers as Wii is crazy, based on install base.  And I am COUNTING Wii Sports and Wii Play, which really shouldn't count because they are essentially freebies with hardware.

 

Plus on 360, you get an easy PC port if you want.  On PS3/360 titles you have DLC opportunities to aid in profitizing your game.  

 

 

*raises eyebrow*

I'm going to assume you meant 3rd parties?   And we're an update away from it being 13 3rd party million sellers on Wii.  10, 11,12 and 13 are all not the same numbers either.

 

 

And gross revenue doesn't mean profit either.

 



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Fastrabbit09 on 13 August 2008
fastyxx said:
 

And remember that DS and Wii games cost less at retail than PS3/360 games so the profit margin is lower.  

wii games are $10 cheaper, or 16.67% less...but they are about 66% less expensive to make

 

 



Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08.  Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)

Predictions:

Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07  CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
Fastrabbit09 on 13 August 2008

if u are talking 3rd party million sellers (must be since 10 is close to 11 but 26 isn't to 16), then how did you count wii play/wii sports? they aren't 3rd party titles



Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08.  Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)

Predictions:

Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07  CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
Skeeuk on 13 August 2008
Fernando said:
ruibing said:
The PS3 can't be restocked soon enough, especially in the US.

 

 Stop lying to yourself... there is not a PS3 shortage.

 

 new ps3 model is around the corner, this weeks sales will be lower than last. stop getting exited



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