hmm..... Well, considering the following fact, I think we can make a very good guess:

matter-energy cannot be created or destroyed

If you can't create matter-energy, how is it that any matter-energy exists? and where did it come from if it is utterly impossible to create it by any means no matter how advanced your technology and knowledge are?

The two possible answers are:

1) It just is and was always there

2) Something beyond our comprehension made it

I personally think the latter makes more sense, especially considering that other facts such as the second law of thermodynamics (the entropy of the universe is always increasing) become far easier to explain; but you cannot definitively disprove the first option either.

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There is nothing beyond my comprehension.

Therefore, nothing created the universe.

Therefore, it either always existed or it was created by Nothingness.

To prove me wrong you have to prove that there's anything beyond my comprehension. Try me, suckas.

So you assume that the something beyond our comprehension is god?

Yes, I believe in God.
People who do not often challenge my logic in believing in something that has no "proof". They say I have replaced "proof" with "faith" because there is no evidence to support it.
I respond by saying, the alternative is to believe that the simple atoms of the universe somehow organized themselves into something that could become alive and self-aware and develop ideas of right and wrong. I ask how much "proof" there is that this is possible and how much "faith" is required because there is no evidence to support it.
Believing and disbelieving require the same amount of faith.
Either water and random chemicals became us on their own, or they had help.
Which is more logical? Which one seems right?

call it whatever you want, but something that can create matter-energy might as well be god.... Like, there's NO possible way, even in the most remote and advanced scientific theory, that even gives a miniscule possibility of a way to create matter-energy. If you have the capability to do that, you will also have the capability to perform pretty much all of the actions associated with god. (ie. control weather, remove microbes from an object (ie. heal the sick), teleport, shape-shift, etc.)

Reasons why God doesn't exist:

1) Cause bad things happen. If god really existed, his sole purpose would be to change our diapers for us instead of letting us learn how to use the potty like big boys and girls

2) Cause I prayed real hard for a pony, but i didn't get it. If God isn't a Genie, then he can't possibly exist

3) Cause there is more than 1 religion. Obviously God, a supreme being with powers and understanding far beyond our comprehension should be well within our limited ability to understand and perfectly explain.

4) Cause there are people who claim to be religious and use it to gain power and control of selfish and greedy reasons. If god really existed, he would make sure that all priests were under strict and constant mind control, and could only speak and act as he directed, like the borg.

5) Cause there's no proof. If god really existed there would be documentable energy readings, that modern science could examine, despite the fact that even our most advanced instruments can't tell, at the same time, the exact location and velocity of a photon.

6) Cause if God really existed, he'd make us believe in him. After all, it's so much easier to do a kindergartener's homework for him than teach him how to do it himself.

7) Cause there are thing in the (insert religious guidebook of preference) that can't possibly be true, nevermind that I didn't witness it first hand, nor did anyone else alive today, so we can only make assumptions and guesses about what was and wasn't possible at the time and what was and wasn't meant by various lines in the (religious guidebook)

8) Cause science has come up with unproven theories of how the universe works and was created, involving substrings and lots of dimensions. This can be used to prove that god doesn't exist, much the same way that you can use science to show how a gun fires a bullet, proving that the person pulling the trigger doesn't exist.

With all this unshakable evidence proving that he doesn't exist, how could any rational person ever believe in God?

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I don't believe in it at all. I won't argue because it's useless.

Not necessarily God, just something supernatural.

If I may expand upon the argument, I'll set up a logical and possibly scientific proof for the supernatural.

Premise 1:  Matter-energy cannot be created (1st law of thermodynamics) by physical means.

Premise 2:  The universe (matter-energy) had a beginning.

Conclusion:  The universe was created by non-physical (supernatural) means.

The logic of the argument is sound: If it wasn't a car that hit you, it was a non-car.  Logic does not depend on the validity of the statements proposed, merely the consistency between them.

Now, onto Premise 1.  I'm fairly sure no one's going to try to contradict that; universal consent by scientists (and I'm pretty sure a quantum flux will not usher into existence anything; it's not nothing that's fluxing, right?)

Premise 2:  Now let's consider the lifespan of the universe:  it's either going to expand continuously and freeze,  or it'll  collape onto itself.  If the universe had been existence forever, then obviously it's death is not going to be the big freeze, which should have happened already.  If the universe is going to collapse onto itself, again you have the same problem, unless you suggest that the universe re-expands and starts over (oscillating universe model).  The problem with that is, there is an infinite time paradox: how did we cross an infinite amount of time?  So, the universe had to have had a beginning because it would either be dead by now or it would be paradoxial to sugest otherwise.

I say all this to show that science can easily allow for the supernatural as an explanation, and to give an argument for the supernatural.