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Burgles on 10 August 2008
dgm6780 said:
uh SaviorX - the online currency on the Playstation network is US dollars. They dont use some old carnie tricks to confuse you on how much money you are actually spending. Neat idea huh? list the price in dollars not points, brilliant!!!!


and bundling games like Pain/Stardust/Monsters would be very little addtional cost

oh and Amp316 - you have no idea what you are talking about. I realize you have probably heard the joke that the wii is 2 gamecubes duct taped together too many times, but thats no excuse for the brainless crap you posted.

...touchy!

(I'm quite sure he was joking, you weren't so sure?)



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Burgles on 10 August 2008
markers said:
ssj12 said:
well upgrading the 40GB and having one model is a good start for Sony. Adds more value for $399. I expect production costs to fall dramatically afterward. 45nm CELL, 65nm RSX (55nm future).

 

 agreed. production costs are going to be down in the not too distant future, they already have gone done significantly since launch.

and i expect them to re-introduce full BC next year, once production costs have fallen.

 

 Why do you expect them to re-introduce full BC next year?

BC is achieved by using the exact components that are in the PS2\PS1? They cannot be "cost reduced" any further. Prolly cost more due to lack of quantity.

BC most likely adds a good $30-$35 to the cost of each console.

 

 



Burgles on 10 August 2008
Gearbox said:
Make a new friggen controller! Like comon how come when sega used the same controller for the saturn and genesis every1 gets angry, but when sony does it for the ps1, 2 AND 3 no1 cares??? I wan't a new controller :)

 

 You want to sort out your spelling and grammer.

Sega didn't use the same controller for the Genesis\Saturn, where did you pick that up from? There were 2 official Genersis controllers and 2 official Saturn controllers.



AnarchyWest on 10 August 2008
Burgles said:
markers said:
ssj12 said:
well upgrading the 40GB and having one model is a good start for Sony. Adds more value for $399. I expect production costs to fall dramatically afterward. 45nm CELL, 65nm RSX (55nm future).

 

 agreed. production costs are going to be down in the not too distant future, they already have gone done significantly since launch.

and i expect them to re-introduce full BC next year, once production costs have fallen.

 

 Why do you expect them to re-introduce full BC next year?

BC is achieved by using the exact components that are in the PS2PS1? They cannot be "cost reduced" any further. Prolly cost more due to lack of quantity.

BC most likely adds a good $30-$35 to the cost of each console.

 

 

 

 Every PS3 SKU has PS1 B/C...and the limited 80GB bundles did not use PS2 hardware components (removed the ee chip)



Burgles on 10 August 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
ssj12 said:
well upgrading the 40GB and having one model is a good start for Sony. Adds more value for $399. I expect production costs to fall dramatically afterward. 45nm CELL, 65nm RSX (55nm future).

 

Agree, except I don't think percieved value increases will give you anything but spikes, with the possible exception of backwards compatibility. For a sustained sales bump, you need a lower price, and even if you cut the percieved value significantly, you'll probably still get a better sustained bump, assuming you advertise it as a SKU that is here to stay, and not a marketing ploy.

MS seems to have bucked that theory, however, if their bump in the US and Japan lasts. Their percieved value increase come from FFXIII, and other games shown at E3, most notable the Gears 2 trailer, which is perhaps the best trailer I've ever seen(and I hate gears), as well as the 40 free gb of space, not to mention the cheaper selloff of old models.

It also appears that we'll see a price drop for at least one sku very soon for MS.

You can say what you want about the, but they are definitely taking the steps necessary to stage a momentum shift. There aren't a whole lot of things that they could have done better at E3, or since. Maybe buy and announce a MGS4 360 edition, but we must assume that such a thing was impossible due to what we can all assume is a timed exclusivity agreement and a Sony NDA.

MS has done some wheelings and dealings in hopes of renewing momentum for their console, and in the short term it appears to have helped.. This will eventually force Sony to respond, and it will likely be via a price cut.

 

 You can't be!!!! You're.....not....!!!!

You're not actually saying, the PS3 is over priced in the eyes of the consumer and they can't see enough good reasons (games) to buy one?

 

Got to agree with that bit at the end...There is just no way Sony can compete without making some kind of price cut, I think they should have reduced the price, THEN announced the 80GB non bc PS3....personally.

 

Would have had more punch.



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Burgles on 10 August 2008
AnarchyWest said:
Burgles said:
markers said:
ssj12 said:
well upgrading the 40GB and having one model is a good start for Sony. Adds more value for $399. I expect production costs to fall dramatically afterward. 45nm CELL, 65nm RSX (55nm future).

 

 agreed. production costs are going to be down in the not too distant future, they already have gone done significantly since launch.

and i expect them to re-introduce full BC next year, once production costs have fallen.

 

 Why do you expect them to re-introduce full BC next year?

BC is achieved by using the exact components that are in the PS2PS1? They cannot be "cost reduced" any further. Prolly cost more due to lack of quantity.

BC most likely adds a good $30-$35 to the cost of each console.

 

 

 

 Every PS3 SKU has PS1 B/C...and the limited 80GB bundles did not use PS2 hardware compenents (removed the ee chip)

Yeah I know, I was saying it in response to the bolded bit above, just clarifying that BC isn't achived through emulation for either PS1\PS2. Even in those 80GB MGS4 special editions, they are only emulating the graphics chip. Anyway, OT sorry about that.

 



GiggityNinja on 10 August 2008
AnarchyWest said:
smallflyingtaco said:
dgm6780 said:
for christmas just paking in a voucher for Dark Knight on blu ray would make some waves

 

 I doubt they would choose a Warner Brothers film, if they are going that way I expect them to pick something that they make.

wasn't Warner Brothers Film the first besides Sony Pictures to move to Blu Ray exclusive?

 

No, they were actually the last ones. They accepted HD-DVD (along with Blu-Ray) until April, even though it died in February. I think Buena Vista was the second to go exclusive.

 

As for the $399 price tag, I say they keep going. They haven't lost much momentum, hell, they beat Microsoft for 40 weeks. As soon as they get their new SKU out, they just need to keep their pace, and adapt accordingly to what comes in their way.

Well, you know, until Final Fantasy XIII comes out and the 360 unfortunately kicks their ass.

 



Sony will prevail. My 60 gig says so.

PlayStation 3 Games:

- Rock Band
- Rock Band 2
- Soulcalibur IV
- LittleBigPlanet
- Guitar Hero: World Tour

 

Diomedes1976 on 10 August 2008

The "add more value " thing isnt working too well.What it did work was to lower the price of the machine.That managed to multiply by three permanently the sales(except in Japan ,where backwards compatibility seems vital and they arent buying it until it comes back).

Sony must hit the 250 price point the sooner possible.This year may be possible but if they can get to 299 it would be great and with 350 at least it would be a little closer.



BKK2 on 10 August 2008
Burgles said:
AnarchyWest said:
Burgles said:
markers said:
ssj12 said:
well upgrading the 40GB and having one model is a good start for Sony. Adds more value for $399. I expect production costs to fall dramatically afterward. 45nm CELL, 65nm RSX (55nm future).

 

 agreed. production costs are going to be down in the not too distant future, they already have gone done significantly since launch.

and i expect them to re-introduce full BC next year, once production costs have fallen.

 

 Why do you expect them to re-introduce full BC next year?

BC is achieved by using the exact components that are in the PS2PS1? They cannot be "cost reduced" any further. Prolly cost more due to lack of quantity.

BC most likely adds a good $30-$35 to the cost of each console.

 

 

 

 Every PS3 SKU has PS1 B/C...and the limited 80GB bundles did not use PS2 hardware compenents (removed the ee chip)

Yeah I know, I was saying it in response to the bolded bit above, just clarifying that BC isn't achived through emulation for either PS1PS2. Even in those 80GB MGS4 special editions, they are only emulating the graphics chip. Anyway, OT sorry about that.

 

PS1 is fully emulated. In the current 80Gb it's the EE that is emulated, GS is still hardware as it's difficult to emulate. New 80Gb will still have PS1 BC same as current 40Gb does as no additonal hardware is necessary for this.

HOME > SCE to Exclude EE+GS Chip from European PS3

SCE to Exclude EE+GS Chip from European PS3

Feb 27, 2007 18:55
Naoki Asakawa, Nikkei Electronics

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) has announced that the EE+GS chip, an LSI chip provided to support backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2 (PS 2), would be excluded from the PlayStation 3 (PS3) console slated for launch in Europe on March 23, 2007. Instead, the operation of PS2 will be emulated by a combination of new graphics LSI chip and software.

The PS3 console available in Japan and the US is equipped with EE+GS chip which is PS2's core LSI chip composed of Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer integrated onto a single chip. Instead of the EE+GS chip which will be excluded from the European version of the console, SCE will provide a new graphics LSI chip that can replace the functions performed by Graphics Synthesizer. The functions of Emotion Engine will be emulated by software based on Cell Broadband Engine. With the adoption of the new specifications, the company has succeeded in reducing the LSI chip size and the component cost.

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Dgc1808 on 10 August 2008

Am thinking that when this thing comes out and it's the only sku that PS3 will be in the profit margin, or making very little profit, either way I don't think it will be in the losses section anymore. They said manufacturing cost was around 400 for each sku like..... 6 months ago.....

The most I see them doing in terms of adding "value"... 2 dualshocks. Or maybe a dual shock and a movie....



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