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Simulacrum on 03 August 2008

...What great 3d games does Konami have,other than Mgs?Hmmm.I might google but yea i cant remember eny now.They just dont have skill.
Castlevanias are awesome at GBA and Ds,PSP too.



 

 

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celine on 03 August 2008
Riachu said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

I want 2-D even on consoles. NOT 3-D. Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it. As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

Super Mario 64 and FFVII benefitted from being in 3D.  Castlevania could make a good 3D installment,  It's just a matter of improving the level designs and such

 

Yeah SM64 benefits alot from 3D ( IMO it was the milestone where begin the 3D era ) but it was different from SMB and the other 2d Marios.

FF7 hadn't 3D excpet for the battle however I agree that the "cinematic" presentation of the whole adventure was the real turning point of that episode ( not the story, the gameplay or the character design ).

 



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celine on 03 August 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

 I want 2-D even on consoles.  NOT 3-D.  Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it.  As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

 

 I think Castlevania could be great in 2.5-D perspective.  3-D modeling for characters, but gameplay on a 2-D plane.

The question is: Would it make sense from a business perspective ?

If you want to make a 2D CV why you should choose console over an handheld like DS where development cost are low and your gameplay is well suited.

Castlevania has become a niche serie. Innovate or die.

 



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dougsdad0629 on 03 August 2008
Simulacrum said:
...What great 3d games does Konami have,other than Mgs?Hmmm.I might google but yea i cant remember eny now.They just dont have skill.
Castlevanias are awesome at GBA and Ds,PSP too.

 

 

What was the name of that robot fighting series they do that people love?



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Riachu on 03 August 2008
celine said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

I want 2-D even on consoles. NOT 3-D. Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it. As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

 

I think Castlevania could be great in 2.5-D perspective. 3-D modeling for characters, but gameplay on a 2-D plane.

The question is: Would it make sense from a business perspective ?

If you want to make a 2D CV why you should choose console over an handheld like DS where development cost are low and your gameplay is well suited.

Castlevania has become a niche serie. Innovate or die.

 

Castlevania is a niche series that need to innovate or it will slowly fall into obscurity

 



 

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ItsaMii on 03 August 2008

Konami hates us. It is that simple. I enjoy the portable Castlevanias a lot, but it is sad that they waste so much time and money making the shitty 3D ones.



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megaman79 on 03 August 2008
Riachu said:
celine said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

I want 2-D even on consoles. NOT 3-D. Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it. As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

 

I think Castlevania could be great in 2.5-D perspective. 3-D modeling for characters, but gameplay on a 2-D plane.

The question is: Would it make sense from a business perspective ?

If you want to make a 2D CV why you should choose console over an handheld like DS where development cost are low and your gameplay is well suited.

Castlevania has become a niche serie. Innovate or die.

 

Castlevania is a niche series that need to innovate or it will slowly fall into obscurity

 

Hence the fighter idea. Im thinking the game should be taking notes on Survival Horror and Suspense games like FF just for new ways of seeing the mythology. Maybe their testing 3d waters with this fighter, but if they piss off and make a wicked title for HD's ill never forgive them.

 



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dougsdad0629 on 03 August 2008
celine said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

 I want 2-D even on consoles.  NOT 3-D.  Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it.  As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

 

 I think Castlevania could be great in 2.5-D perspective.  3-D modeling for characters, but gameplay on a 2-D plane.

The question is: Would it make sense from a business perspective ?

If you want to make a 2D CV why you should choose console over an handheld like DS where development cost are low and your gameplay is well suited.

Castlevania has become a niche serie. Innovate or die.

 

 

 Fine.  Like I said in my OP, just put a few of the handheld ones on a disc as a compilation and sell it for the Wii and I'll buy it.  Just don't expect me to buy each individually.



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dougsdad0629 on 03 August 2008
megaman79 said:
Riachu said:
celine said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

I want 2-D even on consoles. NOT 3-D. Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it. As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

 

I think Castlevania could be great in 2.5-D perspective. 3-D modeling for characters, but gameplay on a 2-D plane.

The question is: Would it make sense from a business perspective ?

If you want to make a 2D CV why you should choose console over an handheld like DS where development cost are low and your gameplay is well suited.

Castlevania has become a niche serie. Innovate or die.

 

Castlevania is a niche series that need to innovate or it will slowly fall into obscurity

 

Hence the fighter idea. Im thinking the game should be taking notes on Survival Horror and Suspense games like FF just for new ways of seeing the mythology. Maybe their testing 3d waters with this fighter, but if they piss off and make a wicked title for HD's ill never forgive them.

 

Survival Horror for Castlevania games would be AWESOME!  Controls similar to the modern RE games.  However the gameplay would have the reverse focus.  RE is long distance shooting with occasional hand to hand knifing.  Castlevania could be focused on close-up whip fighting with the sometimes knife/axe/holy water long distance fighting.

 



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

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Euphoria14 on 03 August 2008
sc94597 said:
Euphoria14 said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Riachu said:
Because 2D experience of SotN is very hard to pull off in 3D. Also, because of limited resources, the level designs have to suffer in the 3D ones

 

 I want 2-D even on consoles.  NOT 3-D.  Some games just don't work as well in 3-D and Castlevania proves it.  As much as I love Mario 64, I hate that it made every single older franchise think that it could be better in 3-D.

 

Ever played Odin Sphere? That game had 2-D sprites in beautiful 3-D backgrounds. Side scrolling.

Why can't they do something like this for Castlevania right?

I still have to get Odin Sphere. Thanks for reminding me. I got hyped for it ever since I saw the trailer for Oden Muramasa Youtouden( I don't know if that is spelled right). I think castlevania would work nice like that. Maybe as a Wiiware,PSN,XBL title.

 

Definitely get it. That is all I will say. :)

 



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