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Lafiel on 02 August 2008

Well, I never used live and therefore can't say anything about how good or bad it is, but not being able to play online without paying the fee seems unacceptable to me ..
I wouldn't mind the fee if it only was for premium services, but online play doesn't belong to those in my opinion (maybe I was just spoiled by PC-gaming).



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BenKenobi88 on 02 August 2008
Sansui said:
Um... maybe to SOME of you pc gaming online is free, but have you ever been the one shelling out for the dedicated servers and voice chat servers?

There's a lot of generous people that offer their servers up for public play, or mooch off a university network or other workplace network where they have connections and no culpability.

There's the cost of the hardware to run those servers and the cost of bandwidth, and the cost of time for update and administration of those servers if you do it yourself.

At one point back in the day I was shelling out 180/month for a server + voice chat server for my team. I wish Live was free too, but I pay less than 4 bucks a month for what I consider reasonable enough quality of service to pay a whopping 4 bucks.

This is true, but at least you own your server and can do with it what you please in that case.

I've thought about getting a few of my friends and starting a TF2 server, we've got available hardware, a T1 connection available...but we're fine on public servers, as are most players...your average PC gamer isn't going to pay for a server.



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Weebs on 02 August 2008
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
Jackson50 said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
Jackson50 said:
I have both a PS3 and an Xbox, but I will gladly pay the $50 for what I deem is a superior service.

 

Try not to start your argument that way. It's just a way of justifying a biased comment.

 

Sir, you are simply incorrect. It is not a way for me to justify a biased comment. It is a way for me to signify that I have used both services, and that I subsequently prefer Xbox Live to PSN.

 

You prove you have used both services by indirectly saying it in your posts while being objective. You don't just tell people. If you make statements as highly debatable as the one you just made then at least support it with an answer to why. That's my major gripe the "I have both" statement. People then don't support an answer as to why because they think their opinion solidifies when they only seem objective.



this is by far the weirdest and stupidest thing to argue about IMHO.
As for LIVE subscriptions - I don't mind paying but I REALLY enjoyed not paying when I had my PS3, I kept thinking "does this cost money?" and I realize at the end of the day not a dime spent. Though LIVE is a great online medium it still does the very thing that everyone hates, "bill ya".

 

 



Understanding is the key.

 

Retrasado on 02 August 2008

I guess the reason I hate M$ for charging for Live is the fact that all the stuff the should charge for, like voip and the like, is free and simple online gaming is not. It also galls me that they have no problem providing hundreds (thousands?) of servers with XBLA games and movies for free, but they won't let you use a practically identical server (as far as maintenance costs go) to play online without shafting you for $50. It's just ridiculous.



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

Strategyking92 on 02 August 2008

The service is high quality, and the community is large.... I think it's worth a measly 4$ a month.



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FaRmLaNd on 02 August 2008

and around and around we go. The reality is microsoft need the entertainment division to make a profit in the long term and xbox live gold memberships is one of the ways to achieve that goal. Sony is stupid to not charge for a service that costs a lot to run as live proves you can get millions of people paying.

It doesn't matter for nintendo due to the the profit they make on consoles and the fact that they are already rolling in money.

BTW you don't need a gold membership to play mmo's on live.



JaggedSac on 02 August 2008
Retrasado said:
I guess the reason I hate M$ for charging for Live is the fact that all the stuff the should charge for, like voip and the like, is free and simple online gaming is not. It also galls me that they have no problem providing hundreds (thousands?) of servers with XBLA games and movies for free, but they won't let you use a practically identical server (as far as maintenance costs go) to play online without shafting you for $50. It's just ridiculous.

 

You just explained the reasoning behind their charging for online play and not the other things they offer.  The servers that provide XBLA and movies are free because they provide their own monetary streams.  Online play does not directly contribute anything monetary towards the service.



brute on 02 August 2008

i knew they wouldnt make it free



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Onimusha12 on 02 August 2008

What's wrong with charging for online? Sounds like a good deal to me.



Rock_on_2008 on 02 August 2008

XBox Live subscriptions bring in around half a billion dollars revenue for MS each year and this total revenue is likely to increase to over one billion a year within a couple of years.