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Jereel Hunter on 01 August 2008
ChronotriggerJM said:

@Kn

How many of those 90+ titles saw the sales that Halo 3 did? I'm willing to bet, not many. The 360 does have more of the "90%+!!!!" titles than the PS3 does, but they both have a ton of 80%+. No one should be only buying 90%+ titles >_> That's stupid.

And then you have to think of the review system put in place today. A game like GTAIV getting perfect 10's? A game like Mass Effect being 90%+ disregarding it's atrocious technical issues? Dare I say I keep my eye's open for this type of stuff.


Mass Effect deserved every 90%+ rating it was given. Technical issues were what brought it down to the 90 range. The game was an obvious labor of love, and I think nearly all of the 2 million people who bought it would agree that it provided a nearly perfect playing experience, atrocious technical issues and all.

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perpride on 01 August 2008
mrstickball said:
perpride said:
Naum said:
well americans(US) love their shooters

By that logic, these Americans should be on the move to the PS3. I am not sure what it is that has given the 360 its success here, but I can deffinitly see that theres a much higher count of MS fanboys than last gen.

 

What shooter does the Playstation currently have on the market that rival Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 again?

 

Dude as true as it is that the Playstation 3 has nothing that can rival up to Gears, please don't bring that Halo 3 bullshit here cause that game was such a sad sequel to such a good game. I think most people would agree with me when I say that the 360 is the console to go to right now for RPGS and PS3 is the one that will be pushing the most shooters this year. Let me explain; Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Socom Confrontation, MAG, The Agency, Metal Gear Solid 4 and plans for a sequel to Uncharted and the release of Bioschock PS3 in the near future. I will actually go as far as agreeing with you if you say that Gears 2 will be a better shooter than most of these games, but as far as sheer shooter titles go, PS3 has alot of games coming really soon.

Also, please don't say that 360 has the games that people want to buy this and that because I have played 80 percent of the million seller 360 games for PC despite owning a 360. I had to get Gears again just to play the extra content.



S.T.A.G.E. on 01 August 2008
Gearbox said:
The 360 has been out for way longer, all the sony haters got the 360 way before the ps3 was out.

 

 Seeing from your Sig with your end of year and end of gen sales. I see that you're quite Sony loyal seeing that they haven't been loyal to you. I loved the PS2 as much as the next man, but the PS3 wont see THAT good this gen vs the 360 and Nintendo for a very long time. Sony soldout their fanbase, PERIOD. This is the reason why the PS3 is being stretched out 10 years. Alot of PS2 buyers have moved onto the 360. I am loyal to no brand in the slightest. PS3 will not see the PS2's success. The 360 will be have around 24-25 console sales by the end of the year. PS3 and the 360 are going to be neck and neck compared to the Wii for a good long while.



CrazzyMan on 01 August 2008

American console, with American games.
And it come 1 year before PS3/Wii.
And it LOOKS cheaper(in reality it`s cost more, then ps3).

American people enjoy paying for online gaming, enjoy noise from x360, enjoy RROD. =))



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

S.T.A.G.E. on 01 August 2008
EaglesEye379 said:
A recent article shows ~75% of all XBL Gold members are in the USA. ~25% are in Europe, of which a large majority is in the UK.

There clearly hasnt been widespread adoption in non-English speaking communities as they will get matchmaked with English speaking gamers.

 

 Sony did the exact same thing last gen, so I see no problem with it. If Sony fanboys complain about it, they're hypocrites.



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ChronotriggerJM on 01 August 2008
Jereel Hunter said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
mrstickball said:
Could it be that *gasp* American gamers buy a system for...........Games?

The Xbox 360 has plenty of those. Good games too. So that might be the reason. It's not nationalism (after all, no American console has ever been #1).

I highly doubt it's "The Games" that your speaking of considering both consoles have "The Games". It's about image. I'd easily say Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, and Bioshock EASILY shame Halo 3, but which one caught the image? The games that do insanely well were geared to do so. I don't like Microsoft as a company, but they know how to pull massive strings when it comes to advertising. And they know what to pimp out as well.

 

And like mentioned above, the year head start with word of mouth also really helps. Many people pick up consoles this day in age to play with they're friends. And with the increasing use of online play, it was an attractive console @ the PS3's launch. This day in age however, the value isn't anywhere near as amazing, and were seeing that trend in the sales market, the gap is nowhere near as extreme.

 

 

"Easy shame Halo 3" ? Halo is, and always has been about the multiplayer experience. Most Halo players spend 95%+ of their overall Halo playing time on multi, not the campaign. You listed great games there (especially Mass Effect, which is IMO the greatest new IP of this generation) but they fill different slots. Once I beat Mass Effect the third time, it was time to give it a break. Whereas I can pick up Halo for the occasional Live game with friends and have a blast. A great title combining great replayability(which multiplayer is the #1 factor in) and a convenience social experience deserves plenty of respect.

In my (and MANY pc gamer's) experience, Halo is about as average as you can get when it comes to a FPS. I'm not saying that in a bad way, they just seemed to have watered out the experience so it's enjoyable for everyone. There's no steep learning curve, there's nothing that's genuinely unique to master (headshots are pretty universal :x), and there's nothing really that sets it aside from any other game. It's just a decent game, with several extra buckets of polish. It's nothing spectacularly amazing, and that's right where it should be to cater to such an audience. In my opinion, Unreal Tournament does just about everything Halo 3 does, only they do it "better". They have a more diversified array of weapons, vehicles, maps, audio tracks, and we get mods :P I think it looks better also >_> But it won't have the popularity of Halo, it's too fast for some people, and many can't get a hold of the mods, secondary fires, etc etc. It's just not as accessible. But in my opinion it doesn't mean it's inferior. Just deeper.

 



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Rock_on_2008 on 01 August 2008
CrazzyMan said:
American console, with American games.
And it come 1 year before PS3/Wii.
And it LOOKS cheaper(in reality it`s cost more, then ps3).

American people enjoy paying for online gaming, enjoy noise from x360, enjoy RROD. =))

Lol. What a Crazy post by Crazzyman.

 



jagenjg on 01 August 2008

Its the games that sell a system. Just look at history. Read up on the TurboGrafix 16, NeoGeo, 3DO, and Jaguar.  All were the strongest hardware out when introduced, but without software support each of them eventually failed.

I remember wanting a TurboGrafix 16 for Bonks Adventure, but after nothing else came out to get my attention.  I played my NES untill I could get a SNES.

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ChronotriggerJM on 01 August 2008
Jereel Hunter said:
ChronotriggerJM said:

@Kn

How many of those 90+ titles saw the sales that Halo 3 did? I'm willing to bet, not many. The 360 does have more of the "90%+!!!!" titles than the PS3 does, but they both have a ton of 80%+. No one should be only buying 90%+ titles >_> That's stupid.

And then you have to think of the review system put in place today. A game like GTAIV getting perfect 10's? A game like Mass Effect being 90%+ disregarding it's atrocious technical issues? Dare I say I keep my eye's open for this type of stuff.

 

Mass Effect deserved every 90%+ rating it was given. Technical issues were what brought it down to the 90 range. The game was an obvious labor of love, and I think nearly all of the 2 million people who bought it would agree that it provided a nearly perfect playing experience, atrocious technical issues and all.

I disagree, it was good, but it had FAR too many technical issues, I'm not happy with people pushing unfinished products. It needed at least another 6 months of dev time. I'd give it mid-80's based on what I'd played. The game was literally almost unplayable at certain times :( A.I issues, framerate, loading times, texture pop. If they had remedied these, for sure it'd have been a higher rating. But you just can't let these things be in games :( Not like that...

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 01 August 2008
ChronotriggerJM said:
Jereel Hunter said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
mrstickball said:
Could it be that *gasp* American gamers buy a system for...........Games?

The Xbox 360 has plenty of those. Good games too. So that might be the reason. It's not nationalism (after all, no American console has ever been #1).

I highly doubt it's "The Games" that your speaking of considering both consoles have "The Games". It's about image. I'd easily say Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, and Bioshock EASILY shame Halo 3, but which one caught the image? The games that do insanely well were geared to do so. I don't like Microsoft as a company, but they know how to pull massive strings when it comes to advertising. And they know what to pimp out as well.

 

And like mentioned above, the year head start with word of mouth also really helps. Many people pick up consoles this day in age to play with they're friends. And with the increasing use of online play, it was an attractive console @ the PS3's launch. This day in age however, the value isn't anywhere near as amazing, and were seeing that trend in the sales market, the gap is nowhere near as extreme.

 

 

"Easy shame Halo 3" ? Halo is, and always has been about the multiplayer experience. Most Halo players spend 95%+ of their overall Halo playing time on multi, not the campaign. You listed great games there (especially Mass Effect, which is IMO the greatest new IP of this generation) but they fill different slots. Once I beat Mass Effect the third time, it was time to give it a break. Whereas I can pick up Halo for the occasional Live game with friends and have a blast. A great title combining great replayability(which multiplayer is the #1 factor in) and a convenience social experience deserves plenty of respect.

In my (and MANY pc gamer's) experience, Halo is about as average as you can get when it comes to a FPS. I'm not saying that in a bad way, they just seemed to have watered out the experience so it's enjoyable for everyone. There's no steep learning curve, there's nothing that's genuinely unique to master (headshots are pretty universal :x), and there's nothing really that sets it aside from any other game. It's just a decent game, with several extra buckets of polish. It's nothing spectacularly amazing, and that's right where it should be to cater to such an audience. In my opinion, Unreal Tournament does just about everything Halo 3 does, only they do it "better". They have a more diversified array of weapons, vehicles, maps, audio tracks, and we get mods :P I think it looks better also >_> But it won't have the popularity of Halo, it's too fast for some people, and many can't get a hold of the mods, secondary fires, etc etc. It's just not as accessible. But in my opinion it doesn't mean it's inferior. Just deeper.

 

Unreal is great...but it makes no sense to argue it, when Halo is a console pusher and Unreal isnt. Halo is distinctly different from many shooters. Resistance franchise and KZ2 are (while beautiful games) the most generic shooters ever. The only thing that gives Resistance any hope is that 300 ft monster. KZ2 better be good, because the first game sucked, terribly. Gears of War and Halo are hot, different console sellers, while Resistance and KZ2 would be considered generic shooters trying to even step in the footsteps of those games.