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makingmusic476 on 18 July 2008
Soriku said:
@making

Meh...if they wanted to buy them then why didn't they during PS2 times? =/ I doubt they'll buy them but they'll still make games for Sony.

 

They had no reason to.  The ps2 had every RPG imagineable.

Edit: Ah, I see this point has been argued to death.

I'll say one last thing: Sony is focuing on expanding their 1st party line up.  Why buy Zipper, Guerilla, and Evolution Studios if they were making exclusive PlayStation games anyway?  Because it strengthens their first party line up, as they're then guaranteed to never leave Sony.  Same goes for Level 5.



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iron_megalith on 18 July 2008
libellule said:

so basically, u dont understand the 2 main point of the Sony PR :

- FFXIII is still coming to PS3

- The other point is :

how is it possible to get exclusive games since third parties DOESN'T WANT to go exclusive ?

1/ Sony : we make the games ourselve.

2/ MS : we buy the game

END.

 

As an FF fan it's a bummer..

With that set aside it's really not that bad for Sony.

They haven't lost FFXIII completely. Everything I will say is what this guy says..



Aprisaiden on 19 July 2008

Hmm -- i understand why SONY didn't buy FFXIII exclusives at the moment -- however they should invest in more SE shares ASAP -- if they get 15-20% then they will have a strong say in the company and should be able to get timed exclusives or prevent M$ from getting SE exclusives.

As for other companies - SONY just needs to expand on its own development teams and try to sort out both PSP and PS3 and PSN development while also providing third parties with the tools to create good games on these platforms aswell...

Hopefully next-gen SONY will be smart enough to have some internal developers working on new games so SONY gets a steady stream of good exclusive PS4 games ( like 1 per month?)



IllegalPaladin on 19 July 2008

Really though, wouldn't more sales for Square help Sony since they have a certain percent of shares? Heck, I believe I read about SE's stock shooting up when the multi platform news came in.... Wouldn't that have meant that Sony got some money there too? lol



Pristine20 on 19 July 2008
Soriku said:

I found this interview at 1UP. Look at what Sony have to say...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168895 (full interview here)

1UP: I have to ask about it. You knew it had to come up. Final Fantasy XIII on the Xbox 360 was Microsoft's big announcement at its press conference. Speaking as someone who bought a PlayStation 3 shortly after its release, one of the ways I justified the purchase to myself and to my girlfriend was by saying, "Listen, it's the only place I'll be able to get Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII."

SR: [Laughs] And now your girlfriend's calling you a liar?

1UP: I haven't told her yet. I hope she doesn't read this interview. But for someone who might not have purchased a PS3 yet but is planning to, and Final Fantasy XIII is one of the primary reasons, you no longer have that pushing them toward the PS3 now. Does Sony have anything in the works that might appeal to Japanese role-playing-game fans specifically?

SR: We have a long-term strategy that we follow. I know you hate to continue to hear me say it, but we're always looking at opportunities. Do we have an RPG in the works right now? No. Are we always looking at that opportunity? Absolutely. To get to the root of your question, are we concerned about the fact that Final Fantasy XIII is not only on PS3? No. That's why we always have a long-term strategy that we're working on. Jack made that very clear in the press conference.

1UP: You're not too upset about the announcement? You don't think it's very pressing?

RE: Again, you've got 23 exclusives already on the PS3 from a first-party perspective. If Microsoft wants to back up the dump truck full of money, there's not a whole lot that can be done there. Certainly, Final Fantasy XIII is still coming on PS3, so it's not like it's not on your system anymore. It's being developed first for the PS3, so your experience is probably going to be better on the PS3 than it will be on the 360. I haven't seen it or played it; [this is] just based on what I've been told. It's definitely a win for the 360 owner, and Microsoft should be applauded for that, but it's not a loss for us. It's not like the title is not coming out on the PlayStation 3. It is.

I'd also stand by for Tokyo Game Show. There are still other products that need time to incubate before they're announced.

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It appears to me that they just don't really care. It looks like they'd rather fund internal development and hope third parties support them. In the long run, this is going to hurt them because they're not Nintendo. Nintendo didn't have a good quanitity of third party games during the N64/GC time BUT they still made tons of profit. In fact, they made almost as much profit on the GC as Sony made on the PS2. Sony can't do that - they sell their system at a loss and their first party games aren't the games that helped them sell over 100 million consoles durign the PS1/PS2 times.

I mean they MIGHT fund some second party games or something but it appears they're just saying "Yeah, we don't care about third parties and if MS buy them we don't care because we'd rather fund inernal development (which wasn't the prime factor in them selling over 100 million consoles)." and I think this could really hurt them.

I know they said they don't pay for third parties...but Sony is in a deep trench right now. I mean they might have multiplat games with the 360 but sales will mellow/divide out between them while MS is laughing at them and Nintendo is rushing to the bank.

I actually agree with th sony PR. FFXIII is STILL coming to ps3 so its no loss to sony. I'd rather have them spending money developing more 1st party AAA titles. One of the things that killed sony this gen is that they were ill-prepared for the third party snob-course. If they had a stronger 1st party at ps3's launch they would never have had that problem. They're making up for it now though.

You use nintendo as your example. Do you realize that nintendo success is based off their 1st party offerings and nothing to do with third parties? Thats what creates long-lasting success like nintendo has had in the industry. Third parties are finicky and jump ship whenever there are trying times. This is not something to be relied upon. Sony seems serious about building a strategy for long-term success which starts from establishing your own successful IPs.

 



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Pristine20 on 19 July 2008
Soriku said:
My point is that Sony can't live off first party and some second party games forever. MS is buying exclusives and multiplats. If the game does really well on the 360 then third parties might not put that certain game on the PS3. Userbase is crucial and without the proper third party support it could hurt them. MS can always buy exclusivity or companies can just make games Wii exclusive (MS hasn't gone after Wii exclusives. They seem to only want to hurt Sony.). I mean...yeah, the PS3 won't sell 100 mil+ but couple that with the fact that they don't make much money on the PS3 and third parties are leaving Sony (making 360 games exclusive or multiplat) and Wii games as exclusive.

But Nintendo survived and made lots of profit with this strategy for 2 gens. Sony has never been big on buying exclusives, I don't think they plan to start now

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 19 July 2008
Soriku said:
DMeisterJ said:
Soriku said:
My point is that Sony can't live off first party and some second party games forever. MS is buying exclusives and multiplats. If the game does really well on the 360 then third parties might not put that certain game on the PS3. Userbase is crucial and without the proper third party support it could hurt them. MS can always buy exclusivity or companies can just make games Wii exclusive (MS hasn't gone after Wii exclusives. They seem to only want to hurt Sony.). I mean...yeah, the PS3 won't sell 100 mil+ but couple that with the fact that they don't make much money on the PS3 and third parties are leaving Sony (making 360 games exclusive or multiplat) and Wii games as exclusive.

That's a flawed logic. 

Third parties will continue to put games on both platforms.  PS3 userbase is rising each week, and in short order will be ahead of the 360 (2009 ish).  SO what are you talking about?  Do you not see the sales each week?  Has PS3 not made up 1.6 million units of ground this year on the 360?  Are you blind to that?  And as we saw with FFXIII, userbase is critical, which is why it's not releasing on the 360 in Japan.  Third-Parties can see that.

I still don't understand what you're talking about.

 

I mean that even if games are multiplat then sales will be divided, hence each system wouldn't be getting a "full" boost in HW regardless. MS can still buy exclusives if they wish and if they sell well they won't go to the PS3 and companies can always make exclusives for the Wii.

@Kasz

They didn't win, but they almost made as much money on the GC than Sony did with the PS2. Sony can't do what Nintendo did because they sell their systems on a loss.

@Crazzy

Mind telling me where you heard it's getting an inferior port?

After what happened with the ps3, you think sony or even M$ is ever going to sell their systems for a loss again?

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

AnarchyWest on 19 July 2008

i think they should care more when their userbase passes 360



cwbys21 on 19 July 2008

So no one else wonders what SE might be capable of if they decided to release games on PC as well (and I'm not talking about the FF MMO, MMOs are made to be played on 10 year old pcs to get the biggest audience possible).



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