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Sony does care about third party developers. They merely lack the resources to court them. Their only recourse is to turn inward to develop exclusive content for their system. They simply lack the capitol due to their platform strategy. The Sony model was strong on sprint, poor on stamina, and heavy in the realms of gut wrenching desperation.

Sony had a very poor launch strategy that literally devoured much of their gaming divisions expendable income. Their console was estimated to loss lead by two hundred dollars, but in less then a year they had to radically redesign their machine, and double their loss lead. While they were cornered into providing free services for consumers on a continuous basis. Were that not bad enough Microsoft is likely to keep pushing the price front.

Microsoft despite the hardware dilemma has ensured that they have ample revenue streams which allows them to fund third party development. The Live service is a proven money maker. Their game sales are licensing gold. Finally their longer stretch on the market has allowed them to defer cutting the price on their machine. The result they ate no comparable loss to what Sony ate. They are flush with money, and if Live is any indication Microsoft is going to have ample funds to continually purchase exclusivity.

I think the statements by Sony are rather mature. They cannot do anything about the situation where they now find themselves. So there is no point in crying about something you have no control over. They could liquidate some of their studios for a quick influx of revenue, but first party titles are the most likely way they are going to generate enough profit to begin to offset their losses.

Whether Sony cares or not is irrelevant. They seem to have expected that they would have it whereas Microsoft seemed to prioritize getting more of that this generation. They set aside revenue to purchase exclusives. Their architecture supported PC game porting. Their pay to play services have done well to keep them flush with cash. The result isn't what some are expecting, and will probably only get worse over time.

The reality is that Microsoft is simply going to get many more exclusives then Sony. Perhaps next year Sony might find some room to purchase a few titles, but they will be nowhere near Microsoft.



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sony's 1st party titles are very impressive, and as long as the 3rd party ones are multiplatform it would then depend on whose inhouse games are better which is sony.



CrazzyMan said:
x360 is getting inferior PORT of FFXIII.
What is the problem here? =)

Correction: Both the 360 and PS3 are getting an inferior PORT.  The game is being developed on the PC with their proprietary Crystal Tools and is being PORTED over to the other platforms.

 



I agree... They are no Nintendo... and right now every exclusive is important but I believe Sony will survive this generation and come out stronger...New 1st and 2nd party IPs help in the long run. So if anything Microsoft might actually be helping Sony.

Once again: No S-E will not downgrade and or cheapen the 360 version of FF13 in any way. Just because you lost faith in S-E does not mean that they would wish to shoot themselves in the foot that way. (Remember bigger fan base this gen. could translate to bigger fan base next gen) (I didn't word that the best way but I think you get the point.)



Boycotting the following:

1. Yoshi: He ate my car and spit out a toaster.

2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.

3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.

4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games.  If that were the case they'd own a PS3.

5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.

6. Boycotts: Their so lame.

 

 

Soriku said:
@makingmusic

Why would they buy Level 5? Level 5 already make a majority of their games on Sony systems. Level 5 are third party and like Sony said, they won't buy third party exclusives so why would they buy "A" third party? You make a good point though: Third parties won't overshadow Sony's games now that Sony is focusing on internal development but this isn't really good for people who buy Sony systems for mostly/mainly third party games (mostly RPGs).

@Onyx

They'll likely show a Team Ico game. Others too but that's all we can guess for now lol.

 

Because almost every studio they own was once third party. ;) 

I mean, that's what they do.  They improve their own first party by buying third party studios and then turning into gigantic first party power houses.  Compare the Guerrilla Games of today to what it was four years ago.  The difference is immense.

Why would they buy Level 5 specifically?  Because it is a studio that they have a close relationship with.  It's the same reason they bought Zipper, Guerrilla, and Evolution Studios, despit the fact that all had been 2nd party for years before they were bought, and were extremely unlikely to make games for non-Sony platforms.

Also, if they owned Level 5 then they'd ONLY work on the PSP and ps3, rather then spending so much time on the DS.

However, they probably won't buy ANYTHING unti mid-2009 at the earliest, because the funds just aren't there.  But when they do start to become profitable again, they'll definitely be looking into some RPG studios.



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What are you trying to say? Sony has much more 1st party studios, and games than nintendo does, they can handle themselves fine. Also were did you get this " Nintendo made the same with GC like the ps2"



From IGN:

The first question on the floor was one to clarify how, if at all, the Xbox 360 release would affect the PS3 version. The short answer is that it won't. Final Fantasy XIII is being developed first for the PS3 in Japan, a region that won't see an Xbox 360 release. The Xbox 360 iteration is a port of the PS3 build, but Square was quick to point out that you can't say this will cause a delay of the PS3 release in America. Separate teams are working on the two versions and both are moving along on schedule. There shouldn't be a delay in any releases.

and.

There also are no plans to have the games be different on Xbox 360 and PS3. Nothing has been decided for sure yet, but the team is looking at ways to compress the audio and pre-rendered cutscenes that take up a lot of data without affecting the quality when bringing the game from a blu-ray format to the DVDs that Xbox 360 reads.


Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

It's not that they don't care, IDK y everybody keeps coming to that conclusion. It's just that Microsoft has SOO much money (obviously) that they rather not spend overly amount of money on a third party exclusive (which they will still get) knowing that Microsoft can easily match and surpass wat Sony offers. Since I already own a PS3 (not just cuz of FFXIII), I would rather them spend the money they could have spent on FFXIII exclusivity on funding new games/1st party studios.



I think you are wrong Soriku. It's extremely smart of Sony to encourage their own first-party for a lot of reason. First of all, they have complete control on the game and development process. Second of all, they are always sure the franchises remain on Sony platforms. Third of all, in the long-run, they will have really strong first party developers like Nintendo has and the core userbase would allow them to sustain their hard times. In short, they are investing their money for the long term.

If you buy exclusivity, you basically give the money to a third-party and hope that it helps you. Micro$oft do it because that always been their business strategy from the moment they bought their first OS to today.



How many cups of darkness have I drank over the years? Even I don't know...

 

CrazzyMan said:

From IGN:

The first question on the floor was one to clarify how, if at all, the Xbox 360 release would affect the PS3 version. The short answer is that it won't. Final Fantasy XIII is being developed first for the PS3 in Japan, a region that won't see an Xbox 360 release. The Xbox 360 iteration is a port of the PS3 build, but Square was quick to point out that you can't say this will cause a delay of the PS3 release in America. Separate teams are working on the two versions and both are moving along on schedule. There shouldn't be a delay in any releases.

and.

There also are no plans to have the games be different on Xbox 360 and PS3. Nothing has been decided for sure yet, but the team is looking at ways to compress the audio and pre-rendered cutscenes that take up a lot of data without affecting the quality when bringing the game from a blu-ray format to the DVDs that Xbox 360 reads.

Oh noes, slight detail lost because of compressed video and audio ... I bet every XBox 360 owner will throw their XBox 360 in the trash and spend $400 on a PS3 for that!

Seriously, I would hardly say such small differences are justification for calling one version inferior ... They might matter for the handful of people who own both systems, but it is nothing to really care about.