NintendoTogepi said: I dislike everything about CoD4. The most overrated game of last year IMO. I didn't see any "innovations", and the game is horribly generic. The multiplayer is OK, the single player is terirble...

cod4 was horrible? cod4 was overrated? lol !!!!!! where have you been bro cod4 is one of the best games this gen not only good online but a very very good but short story overrated you say. hahahahahaha i do truly believe you have never played this game ever!!

pinback4life said: NintendoTogepi said: I dislike everything about CoD4. The most overrated game of last year IMO. I didn't see any "innovations", and the game is horribly generic. The multiplayer is OK, the single player is terirble...   cod4 was horrible? cod4 was overrated? lol !!!!!! where have you been bro cod4 is one of the best games this gen not only good online but a very very good but short story overrated you say. hahahahahaha i do truly believe you have never played this game ever!!

I'm glad you like it, but this is your third post that only says "It's good!"  Offer some evdience.  Provide some details. Give some reasons.  Show us that your opinion has some value.  Give us a reason to not just ignore your posts.  What are you adding to the discussion?

We want to hear your opinion, but just saying it's good does not make it good.

 

I'm a fan of online shooters, pc only though and yes I play CoD4 online. And honestly while I do see the enjoyment, It's usually quickly drained. Heli killings and grenade spamming are the main offenders. If it was only 1, or two maps then ok... but if you have Killhouse, the Ship, Shipment, Wetworks etc all in a row and grenades are comming from everywhere then I'm quickly done. And you can't escape it by going some other server as it's always the same.

Perhaps it's because I'm more of a battlefield player and enjoy the idea of being able to do anything else, going in a completely different direction if one thing doesn't work out... you generally don't have that option in CoD4 where you will always end up in the same centre-stage bottleneck. Unless you like sniping, which I don't. And neither should you

fastyxx said: fooflexible said: You know I was going to go into a tirade of defenses, but the bottom line is you people who don't like this rpg element, have hardcore mode. Again Inifinity Ward knew some people may not like it, so they made a mode that is just like Halo, you all start with the same exact assulat rifle with no perks at all, no extras, and you can pick up guns all over the map. So complaining about the rpg element when you have hardcore, is like me complaining about how unfair headquarters gameplay mode when I can just play team deathmatch instead. again the non-rpg gamemode is in there for you people who don't like rewarding game experience, and are so worrried about unfair gameplay. just play that mode and shut up already. Now if only Halo had a rpg like gamemode to statisfy the rest of us. No wonder halo isn't selling as well as cod.    The only reason Halo 3 didn't outsell COD 4 is because it's only one platform.  Don't be silly.  Even just on 360, Halo's sold almost 2 million more than COD. And saying "go play hardcore" is pointless.  There's like 10 people in those lobbies.  That's not the game; it's an extra.  It's like saying "Only play SWAT,and then you'll like Halo."  SWAT=/= Halo, just as Hardcore =/= COD 4 It is ok for people not like a game you like.  Really.  You'll pull through.

I can careless if you like cod4. I'm  not the guy who needed to create a thread to find other people that agree with me. You'll pull through if people like the rpg element in fps titles. And based on the success of cod4 I think you'll be seeing it alot more in games. And considering there are 2 million more people who own halo 3 on the 360, it's amazing that more people are playing cod4 online just on the 360 even despite all the extra stuff that bungie pushes. It's very possible the next Halo game will have a silimiar rpg unlockable.

And about the hardcore lobby, I've tried it a few times, and was always able to get a game going rather quick, so it's a mute point that the lobby isn't popular. But considering how unpopular hardcore is do you really think Inifinity Ward made a poor choice to add the rpglike element?

And personally if they added an extra mode in halo that had the ability to setup classes, I'd totally play it. I don't know what SWAT is in Halo, but if thats the mode you like then play it, I don't get what your saying, you think since hardcore is a side gameplay mode it's not worth bothering with?

 

fooflexible said: I can careless if you like cod4. I'm  not the guy who needed to create a thread to find other people that agree with me. You'll pull through if people like the rpg element in fps titles. And based on the success of cod4 I think you'll be seeing it alot more in games.  in halo that had the ability to setup classes, I'd totally play it. I don't know what SWAT is in Halo, but if thats the mode you like then play it, I don't get what your saying, you think since hardcore is a side gameplay mode it's not worth bothering with?

I don't care whether people agree.  I'm just discussing it. 

And I'm not against levelling up.  I'm against throwing levelled up people against non-levelled up people in the same ranked match.  

The idea that we will see more of COD4-type play in the future is exactly what scares me.  Look at the guy earlier in the thread who said he can't get more than three kills in a Halo match but he can dominate in a COD 4 match simply because he has all the perks and advantages over new players.  Isn't that a problem for a game?

The point about hardcore is that it's just a mode of for the game, not the main game.  No one buys games for one mode.

 

 

fastyxx said: fooflexible said: I can careless if you like cod4. I'm  not the guy who needed to create a thread to find other people that agree with me. You'll pull through if people like the rpg element in fps titles. And based on the success of cod4 I think you'll be seeing it alot more in games.  in halo that had the ability to setup classes, I'd totally play it. I don't know what SWAT is in Halo, but if thats the mode you like then play it, I don't get what your saying, you think since hardcore is a side gameplay mode it's not worth bothering with?   I don't care whether people agree.  I'm just discussing it.  And I'm not against levelling up.  I'm against throwing levelled up people against non-levelled up people in the same ranked match.   The idea that we will see more of COD4-type play in the future is exactly what scares me.  Look at the guy earlier in the thread who said he can't get more than three kills in a Halo match but he can dominate in a COD 4 match simply because he has all the perks and advantages over new players.  Isn't that a problem for a game? The point about hardcore is that it's just a mode of for the game, not the main game.  No one buys games for one mode.

 

I said that about halo3, and it wasn't the perks that made me better, I was saying halo 3 only rewards one kind of player(in my opinion), ones that are insanely good at jumping around and aiming at your head. I just felt Call Of duty rewards more styles of play, I could be crappier at aiming, use the left trigger to aim steadier and just be sneakier around the board, so even though I don't have great aim, im' stealthy and am good at spotting guys.

But the 2 areas I agree with you in are: Matching, and unfair killing spree abilities.

they do tend to throw you in matches with absurdly higher level guys. With that said though the ranks are not based on skill so much as time put in the game, i've played prestige mode 10 guys that weren't that good at all. So it's not too bad, but I'm all for a better mechanic that gauges your skill and pits you against players of equal skill.

And I like the killing spree perks, but they are sort of unfair especially on a board like shipment and a guy calls in a helicopter, it's just absurd. So that could use some balance, I know they had a tough time balancing that from interviews. I also wished it had halo 3's level of detail, stats are my biggest complaint honestly, I've even completely missed game stats, it really pisses me off I can't look at them after the fact, I hope they add a bungie.net type interface for the next one because thats the best thing about halo 3, that and the ability to even record a whole game, I really wish that was in cod4.

Honestly what I really like about cod4 over halo is simply this: left trigger allows for zoomed sight aiming for a steadier shot, and kills are quick and easy. I suck at halo 3 because I keep getting stuck in a giant shooting battle were I empty an entire clip and keep missing enough to allow the guy to turn around and kill me. that really bugs me. and no matter how many hours I played, i could not get better at the freaking game. I never have had a game where I have gotten more then 7 kills. That is so frustrating to me, I pretty much vowed to never play halo again.

I was just using Halo as an example, but if you DID want to get better at Halo, watch the Saved Films.  You can see exactly where your bullets are going and what the other guys are doing to kill you.  That's the real genius ofthe game.   Think of the killcam in COD, but for every aspect of every player from every angle for the entire match.  You can learn a lot from watching.  And learning some of those things would like help your other FPS games as well (like COD).

fooflexible said:   I said that about halo3, and it wasn't the perks that made me better, I was saying halo 3 only rewards one kind of player(in my opinion), ones that are insanely good at jumping around and aiming at your head. I just felt Call Of duty rewards more styles of play, I could be crappier at aiming, use the left trigger to aim steadier and just be sneakier around the board, so even though I don't have great aim, im' stealthy and am good at spotting guys. But the 2 areas I agree with you in are: Matching, and unfair killing spree abilities. they do tend to throw you in matches with absurdly higher level guys. With that said though the ranks are not based on skill so much as time put in the game, i've played prestige mode 10 guys that weren't that good at all. So it's not too bad, but I'm all for a better mechanic that gauges your skill and pits you against players of equal skill. And I like the killing spree perks, but they are sort of unfair especially on a board like shipment and a guy calls in a helicopter, it's just absurd. So that could use some balance, I know they had a tough time balancing that from interviews. I also wished it had halo 3's level of detail, stats are my biggest complaint honestly, I've even completely missed game stats, it really pisses me off I can't look at them after the fact, I hope they add a bungie.net type interface for the next one because thats the best thing about halo 3, that and the ability to even record a whole game, I really wish that was in cod4. Honestly what I really like about cod4 over halo is simply this: left trigger allows for zoomed sight aiming for a steadier shot, and kills are quick and easy. I suck at halo 3 because I keep getting stuck in a giant shooting battle were I empty an entire clip and keep missing enough to allow the guy to turn around and kill me. that really bugs me. and no matter how many hours I played, i could not get better at the freaking game. I never have had a game where I have gotten more then 7 kills. That is so frustrating to me, I pretty much vowed to never play halo again.

That sentence completely sums up what I hate most about COD 4.  Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to know that your better than another player but you still die because they have the better gun or they got a lucky spawn hence getting a 3 kill streak giving them radar.
Your playing a god damn fps and you complain about the difficulties in aiming, maybe its just me but that sound ridiculous. It's like playing a rpg and complaining that you have to level up to become stronger.
The entire point of levels isnt to show off as a trophy. If your a low level in Halo then play more, get better at aiming, understand what the good players are doing that our not and you'll improve and level up. Don't get me wrong I love playing COD 4 but theres no denying that so many aspects of the game were put in place to give the more casual player a sense of satisfaction, even if he or she doesn't neccesarily deserve it.

 

 

I also really like shooters

COD4 MP to me is like a next-gen counterstrike. I'm level 20 and I get worked over and over by level 40 somethings. they know the levels in and out and have specific weapon/perk sets for different maps/situations and seem to have everything down to a freaking science (especially grenade sniping, ugh). Sure I could probably say the same thing about most fps's, but I liked counterstrike's system that you start the game with rubbish weapons and slowly earn better ones, and next map you start all over again. I dislike how because someone's logged 100 hours into the game that they get all those advantages right at the start of a match.

Griffin said: colonelstubbs said: notice its only people who suck at cod4 complaining   LoL, maybe you should stop making up bullshit.  The OP said he went 24-3, i don't think he sucks at the game.  I'm 10th prestige level 55, with a 2.38 K/D ratio and about 64k kills, i don't think i suck either.  Plus i've gone weeks of playing where my average K/D is around 6.  But then you get stuck with laggy games and people tossing grenades all over the place and it goes really low.  And i've played and dominated all game modes while i have had this game.

 

 CoD 4 can be a pain at times, Playing Hardcore S&D, the first five seconds is nothing but noob tubes, and if you survive that, some players on the other team will have the 3 Frag perk. It's a great online shooter, but there are problems that have yet to be resolved (air strikes that never hit the target, unpredictable Heli AI.)

BTW Griffin, do you still have CoD4? I would like to play with you sometime.