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@Riachu
Only the recent ones

Loved

Tales of Symphonia
Dragon Quest VIII
Disgaea
Fire Emblem RD
Odim Sphere

Good

Shin Megami Tensei Nocture
Tales of the Abyss


Too many flaws to be loved, but not totally broken

Tales of Legendia
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Makai Kingdom
Radiata Stories
TWEWY
Disgaea 2
Musashi 2
Kingdom Hearts
Y`s Ark of Napishtim
SMT Devil Summoner

Hated

Persona 3
Breath of Fire DQ
Final Fantasy XII
FF 7 Crisis Core
Ar Tonelico
Ephemeral Fantasia
Crimson Tears
Full Metal Alchemist
Grandia 3
Megaman CM
Shadow Hearts
Monster Hunter 2
Brave Story New Traveler
La Pucelle Tatics
Soul Nomad
Full Metal Alchemist 2
Kingdom Hearts 2
Samurai Western
Unlimited Saga
Nightmare of Druaga
Star Ocean 3

There are some missing, but it doesn`t make any difference. I hate them anyways

edit: Paper Mario series don`t belong to this list (still amazing games).



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

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I think KH is closer to Zelda than to Star Ocean, Tales, FF, Breath of Fire, Lunar etc.



''Hadouken!''

ItsaMii said:
Only the recent ones

Loved

Tales of Symphonia
Dragon Quest VIII
Disgaea
Fire Emblem RD
Odim Sphere

Too many flaws to be loved, but not totally broken

Tales of Legendia
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Makai Kingdom
Radiata Stories
TWEWY
Disgaea 2
Musashi 2
Kingdom Hearts
Y`s Ark of Napishtim
SMT Devil Summoner

What was wrong with Disgaea 2?



Dude if you hate Crisis Core, then it's clear that that's not Square's fault, but your fault.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
ItsaMii said:
...

What was wrong with Disgaea 2?

 

Sequelitis Syndrome. I can ignore most of Disgaea flaws because it was a fresh game from a poor company. Disgaea 2 on the other hand doesn`t try any new or risky ideas (like every Nippon Ichi game), looks pretty bad and got some boring characters. The plot isn`t good enough to keep me glued like Disgaea. The level design isn`t challenging or clever like FE RD.

It got all the problems Disgaea had without a interesting enough plot to make up for it. Polishing the game would have helped a lot.



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

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I just watched the trailer for WKC on the Hong Kong PSN.
At first things were okay, nothing very exciting.
Then the main guy has a transformation, and the trailer got degraded from decent to shitty.
Seriously, why oh why are transformations so used in japanese story telling?
Everyone remembers "The Mask" right? Those were some good transformations! You got the idea, that Stanley was toying with something powerful, something he couldn't quite control. And he did not turn big or anything like that, he still looked human!
In the WKC trailer, the main guy transforms into the knight thingy we've all seen in pictures regarding WKC, but he does in a way where this big, (supposedly) bad ass knight is also indicated to like pretty lights and ballet.

Anyway, the only reason I watched the trailer to the end was because of the monsters, those were bad ass.
And yes, this is probably very stereotypical, but I didn't get much of the story stuff from the trailer as I don't understand japanese.

And I am generally, not very fond of JRPGs and never have been.



Ajax said:
Dude if you hate Crisis Core, then it's clear that that's not Square's fault, but your fault.

 

If you like FF 7 CC, you probably would buy anything with a SE or FF 7 logo on it. That game is garbage. It wasn`t even worth a rental. It is short, linear, retardly easy and relies too much on nostalgic factor. Music, characters and settings are almost all recycled from FF7. The extra missions are some of the shittiest sidequests since FF XII. There are 7 or so different locations and all you have to do is kill the boss(es). It doesn`t matter what is written is the description (capture, seize, investigate, retrieve, eliminate) they all play the same. Without the sidequests, it is a 9-10 hour game. It will reach 45 hours with all the sidequests, but it is not quality time. It is pretty clear they added those annoying and repetitive sidequests to artificially prolong the game.



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

ItsaMii said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
ItsaMii said:
...

What was wrong with Disgaea 2?

 

Sequelitis Syndrome. I can ignore most of Disgaea flaws because it was a fresh game from a poor company. Disgaea 2 on the other hand doesn`t try any new or risky ideas (like every Nippon Ichi game), looks pretty bad and got some boring characters. The plot isn`t good enough to keep me glued like Disgaea. The level design isn`t challenging or clever like FE RD.

It got all the problems Disgaea had without a interesting enough plot to make up for it. Polishing the game would have helped a lot.

Ah okay, I've only played Disgaea 2 (not the original) so it's all fresh to me comparatively.   One of the things I enjoyed about Disgaea 2 was the characters though.  I liked the fact that they were fairly straight forward.  I can only take so many 4 paragraph monologues and "surprising" plot twists before I get tired of it.  Having a character like Addel who was pretty much who he was for the entire game was nice.

Plus it made me laugh.  Any game that makes me laugh gets bonus points.  ^_^



Rainbird said:

I just watched the trailer for WKC on the Hong Kong PSN.
At first things were okay, nothing very exciting.
Then the main guy has a transformation, and the trailer got degraded from decent to shitty.
Seriously, why oh why are transformations so used in japanese story telling?
Everyone remembers "The Mask" right? Those were some good transformations! You got the idea, that Stanley was toying with something powerful, something he couldn't quite control. And he did not turn big or anything like that, he still looked human!
In the WKC trailer, the main guy transforms into the knight thingy we've all seen in pictures regarding WKC, but he does in a way where this big, (supposedly) bad ass knight is also indicated to like pretty lights and ballet.


Anyway, the only reason I watched the trailer to the end was because of the monsters, those were bad ass.
And yes, this is probably very stereotypical, but I didn't get much of the story stuff from the trailer as I don't understand japanese.

And I am generally, not very fond of JRPGs and never have been.

I think it's going to be the medieval/fantasy version of Power Rangers. 

 



@Kirby007
Because a good JRPG will kick your butt if you do not strategize your battles even with the weaker enemies and still be enjoyable enough to make you keep wanting to play. This is what was great about the Final Fantasy games pre FFVIII and the older Dragon Warrior games. The enjoyment came out of figuring out how to beat bosses without grinding levels for hours. And the great thing was if you searched there was usually a way to do it.

The problem with the modern JRPGs is not their stories. (Saying to go watch a movie is pointless in recent years when many genres are trying to develop stories in their games. And why go watch a movie when the stories we get from video games are not usually the type that Hollywood will pump out.) The problem with the ones I have played is that when the battle mechanics are good the game is often not difficult enough to force you to continually strategize throughout the game.

If you need an example of what I am talking about play FFIV. You don't even have to find a SNES to play it, it is coming out for the DS soon.