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Morgyn on 23 May 2008

Wait, so ALL 3rd party is at 50% of total sales, and you think that games other than first party sell?

Not to mention the top 7 games on the console are all Nintendo.

Your other points are fair enough, but this one? Not a chance.



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Viper1 on 23 May 2008
Morgyn said:
Wait, so ALL 3rd party is at 50% of total sales, and you think that games other than first party sell?

Not to mention the top 7 games on the console are all Nintendo.

Your other points are fair enough, but this one? Not a chance.

50% of 50 million = 25 million

Wii - 25 million (only 3rd parties)

X360 - 28 million (all sales)

PS3 - 20 million (all sales)

 

Want to retract that comment yet?

 



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noname2200 on 23 May 2008
Viper1 said:
Morgyn said:
Wait, so ALL 3rd party is at 50% of total sales, and you think that games other than first party sell?

Not to mention the top 7 games on the console are all Nintendo.

Your other points are fair enough, but this one? Not a chance.

50% of 50 million = 25 million

Wii - 25 million (only 3rd parties)

X360 - 28 million (all sales)

PS3 - 20 million (all sales)

 

Want to retract that comment yet?

 


 Simple math for the win!



TheRealMafoo on 23 May 2008
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:


I think a better comparison here would be the average number of copies of each. While around 50% of all game sales for the Wii are not 1st party, the volume of titles are vastly different.

For example, in Nintendo come out with 3 games, and sell 9 million copies, that’s 3 million a game. If 3rd party manufacturers come out with 60 games in that same timeframe, and sell 9 million, that’s 150,000 a game.

I have no idea what those averages are, but I think that’s what people are talking about then they bring up this point.


 That would be cherry picking.  Everyone knows more than 50% of Wii games are crap and don't deserve to sell 1 copy. This would skew the picture in favour of Nintendo and wouldn't offer the best data point.


That’s not cherry picking. Cherry picking would be to look at a subset of the data, or to list a small statistic, and present it as a large one. I am talking about looking at the exact say set of data, yet presenting in from a publishers point of view.

The perspective you presented the data is equally valid, and from Nintendo’s point of view, very valuable, but I think the concern with 3rd part support, is if a developer feels it’s hard to recoup expenses and make a profit, they will pass on developing for the Wii.

I wonder what the statistic for high profile 3rd party new IP’s on the Wii is. What’s the average sale per title on those games? That’s really all that matters when someone is concerned about this subject.

Anyone have that data? I guess we could look it up here :)



DarkNight_DS on 23 May 2008
TheBigFatJ said:
DarkNight_DS said:
@NintendoMonopoly: There's been no info about a Pikmin game for 2008. Hence the reason it's not on my list. The games on my list are all coming this year.

Mario Kart Wii was announced like 6 months before release, wasn't it? And that's one of their 3 or 4 biggest sellers each generation.


You're actually spot on with the 6 months thing.  I had to look up when E3 2007 took place (It was in October).  I don't think we need to list unnnanounced games to get the point across, there are plenty of announced games already which will easily cover us for the year if no other games get announced.  



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DarkNight_DS on 23 May 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:


I think a better comparison here would be the average number of copies of each. While around 50% of all game sales for the Wii are not 1st party, the volume of titles are vastly different.

For example, in Nintendo come out with 3 games, and sell 9 million copies, that’s 3 million a game. If 3rd party manufacturers come out with 60 games in that same timeframe, and sell 9 million, that’s 150,000 a game.

I have no idea what those averages are, but I think that’s what people are talking about then they bring up this point.


That would be cherry picking. Everyone knows more than 50% of Wii games are crap and don't deserve to sell 1 copy. This would skew the picture in favour of Nintendo and wouldn't offer the best data point.


That’s not cherry picking. Cherry picking would be to look at a subset of the data, or to list a small statistic, and present it as a large one. I am talking about looking at the exact say set of data, yet presenting in from a publishers point of view.

The perspective you presented the data is equally valid, and from Nintendo’s point of view, very valuable, but I think the concern with 3rd part support, is if a developer feels it’s hard to recoup expenses and make a profit, they will pass on developing for the Wii.

I wonder what the statistic for high profile 3rd party new IP’s on the Wii is. What’s the average sale per title on those games? That’s really all that matters when someone is concerned about this subject.

Anyone have that data? I guess we could look it up here :)


 Third parties have high profile new IP's on the Wii?  The only new IP's I can think of that were good are Boom Blox, No More Heros and Zack and Wiki.  There were a bunch of smaller games like Dewey's Adventure and Elebits but otherwise third parties have brought their C game to the Wii and still made money.  I don't see what the issue is for them.  If they can turn a profit off a C game, why not bring the A game to the Wii and make more money?

Also, No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki sold very well for what they are and what the developer was expecting. 



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trestres on 23 May 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:


I think a better comparison here would be the average number of copies of each. While around 50% of all game sales for the Wii are not 1st party, the volume of titles are vastly different.

For example, in Nintendo come out with 3 games, and sell 9 million copies, that’s 3 million a game. If 3rd party manufacturers come out with 60 games in that same timeframe, and sell 9 million, that’s 150,000 a game.

I have no idea what those averages are, but I think that’s what people are talking about then they bring up this point.


 That would be cherry picking.  Everyone knows more than 50% of Wii games are crap and don't deserve to sell 1 copy. This would skew the picture in favour of Nintendo and wouldn't offer the best data point.


That’s not cherry picking. Cherry picking would be to look at a subset of the data, or to list a small statistic, and present it as a large one. I am talking about looking at the exact say set of data, yet presenting in from a publishers point of view.

The perspective you presented the data is equally valid, and from Nintendo’s point of view, very valuable, but I think the concern with 3rd part support, is if a developer feels it’s hard to recoup expenses and make a profit, they will pass on developing for the Wii.

I wonder what the statistic for high profile 3rd party new IP’s on the Wii is. What’s the average sale per title on those games? That’s really all that matters when someone is concerned about this subject.

Anyone have that data? I guess we could look it up here :)


Yea you know, cause developing a game for any HD console is cheaper than developing on Wii...............

Making a Wii game costs FAR LESS than maknig an HD game since the technology is already available to use. I dont think any Wii game released already at least in America has brought in losses for the company. Also consider that games get released WW and even with 250k sales they get no losses.

On the other hand an exclusive for an HD console may never recoup its losses, let aside make a single cent of profit.

That's why developing for the Wii is good, probability of losing money is almost 0.



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noname2200 on 23 May 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:


I think a better comparison here would be the average number of copies of each. While around 50% of all game sales for the Wii are not 1st party, the volume of titles are vastly different.

For example, in Nintendo come out with 3 games, and sell 9 million copies, that’s 3 million a game. If 3rd party manufacturers come out with 60 games in that same timeframe, and sell 9 million, that’s 150,000 a game.

I have no idea what those averages are, but I think that’s what people are talking about then they bring up this point.


That would be cherry picking. Everyone knows more than 50% of Wii games are crap and don't deserve to sell 1 copy. This would skew the picture in favour of Nintendo and wouldn't offer the best data point.


That’s not cherry picking. Cherry picking would be to look at a subset of the data, or to list a small statistic, and present it as a large one. I am talking about looking at the exact say set of data, yet presenting in from a publishers point of view.

The perspective you presented the data is equally valid, and from Nintendo’s point of view, very valuable, but I think the concern with 3rd part support, is if a developer feels it’s hard to recoup expenses and make a profit, they will pass on developing for the Wii.

I wonder what the statistic for high profile 3rd party new IP’s on the Wii is. What’s the average sale per title on those games? That’s really all that matters when someone is concerned about this subject.

Anyone have that data? I guess we could look it up here :)


 That topic's already been covered in other threads. I'm going to pimp myself now, and refer you to some of my previous posts.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=790064

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=790275

There were other people who made excellent posts in that thread, so if you want you can just read the whole thing here.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=27236 



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TheRealMafoo on 23 May 2008

LOL, why are people being defensive against what I said? I have not stated my opinion as to if I think 3rd party support is good or bad on the Wii. I just pointed out that the argument for 3rd party support is a little different they the statistic that was shown by the OP.

I have no clue if 3rd party developers are successful or not, and I don’t really care all that much.

I just read the post, and offered some input on the analyses approach. Nothing more.