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Well we will know for sure in a few months. Note, I think Halo will sell well, very well, but I think that there are few people just waiting for Halo to buy a 360 than others think. Sony really needed a AAA title for launch, something that would show us the difference between what the 360 can do and what the PS3 can do. So far I haven't seen that. The biggest thing holding PS3 back is the price, I think most can agree on that at least. So if $600 is too much for you to buy the PS3, will Home sway you? Sony isn't dead yet. They have until the holidays to get their ass's in gear. If they sell poor through the holidays then they are toast, as most of the 3rd party games being developed will be canceled, moved to another system, or at the very least will no longer be exclusive. Also all the systems have some great games coming out this year. So none really have any advantage in that regard. I think the sales percentages will stay pretty much the same. 360 will go up with Halo, Wii with Brawl etc. But the % gap between them will remain pretty much the same.



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DRJ said:
Well we will know for sure in a few months. Note, I think Halo will sell well, very well, but I think that there are few people just waiting for Halo to buy a 360 than others think. Sony really needed a AAA title for launch, something that would show us the difference between what the 360 can do and what the PS3 can do. So far I haven't seen that. The biggest thing holding PS3 back is the price, I think most can agree on that at least. So if $600 is too much for you to buy the PS3, will Home sway you? Sony isn't dead yet. They have until the holidays to get their ass's in gear. If they sell poor through the holidays then they are toast, as most of the 3rd party games being developed will be canceled, moved to another system, or at the very least will no longer be exclusive. Also all the systems have some great games coming out this year. So none really have any advantage in that regard. I think the sales percentages will stay pretty much the same. 360 will go up with Halo, Wii with Brawl etc. But the % gap between them will remain pretty much the same.

I agree: After this holiday season we will know for sure if the PS3 will survive.



DRJ said:
It may have been better for Sony to delay their launch even further, but there is no way they could give MS a 2 year head start. And to everyone that thinks a couple games are going to drastically increase sales and sustain those new levels, that just won't happen. There are small bumps but the individual games don't effect too much. Halo 3 will not help MS with sales too much. That game targets all of their current customers. Most people that want Halo already have a 360 and several other FPS games alread, imo. Home will not help PS3 sell better. Asside from the .0001% of gamers that come to gaming forums, the rest of the people out there don't know about it, and if they did wouldn't care about it. Brawl and Galaxies may only bump Wii sales slightly, if at all, since it is still supply constrained and likely will be until next year. PS3 doesnt have any time to "warm up". They cant get outsold by about 800k/month (while Nintendo is still upping shippments) until 2009, then magically come out with a couple games and start selling well, by then it wont matter, and those killer games that are 3rd party will be on the 360, Wii, or both anyway.

They were screwed either way.

Delaying a launch that was already delayed was a bad move.

The fact that they blew it with the PAL let me know they had no chance (well I knew that anyhow but that was final confirmation). All I waited to see was if Sony's loyalties in Europe and elsewhere in the PAL's were as strong as fabled. When this didn't pan out it was just more confirmation for me.

They were injured going in but the extra delay on Europe & friends sealed their fate. They couldn't launch any later than they did or they wouldn't even have what they have now!

They really shoulda strung something together for Europe & friends just to save face and hold momentum. Something anything. 10,000 units and work on spreading the wealth.

By letting Wii get away with their built momentum and letting XBox 360 extend their headstarted one further, PS3 just created unnecessary obstacles to holding their marketspace.

It's a good thing XBox 360 is still flubbing some regions and Wii hasn't fully spread its wings yet (yes Wii has only gotten started with the domination) or PS3 would be in worse shape. Their best chance is to go for Distant #2 spot beating out 360. If they can't do that, then well...just keep your eyes on 2009 and become Virginia asking if there's a PS4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_Virginia,_there_is_a_Santa_Claus).

People are just going to have to understand. The race is decided early. The only time there's room for undecided outcomes is when both competitors are comparatively close and a big gulf doesn't separate the two. Other than that, YES, you CAN see the outcome of the generation in 6 months.

The pecking order has already been set. The March to April period proved it.

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I think it will start to set in when the Wii moves ahead in WW sales, then it will really hit home when the Wii moves ahead in NA.



Blue3 said:
z64dan said:

I believe Sony's main problem this generation, is they overestimated a few things:

They overestimated the demand for HD movies.
They overestimated the power of their brand name.
They overestimated how much people would be willing to pay for a console.
They overestimated the time it would take for the XBOX 360 to come out.
They overestimated the graphical difference between PS3 and 360.

I believe Microsoft is proving that they have some brains behind their gaming division. Sure, releasing the 360 after 4 years kinda pissed some fans off, who were thinking the XBOX would be supported for another year. But it gave Microsoft an 8 million install base advantage, and forced Sony to release a console, and soon. They realized "Sony released the PS2 a year before we released XBOX, and so Sony sold more consoles. So what if the tables were turned?"

And so, Microsoft turned the tables on Sony, and forced them into a corner. What do you guys think about this?


  1. nope, theres a format war sales wont be huge untill its over (soon enouth)
  2. setting sales records in a few nations ? selling a $600 one 1 great game and brand name alone.
  3. will see if that true when some elite software is out.
  4. ehh nope, thye delayed the PS3.
  5. lehh nope, FF13 or Uncharted maybe.

Ms brains

Launch early with defective hardware.
Screw over early adopters by releasing "elite" a year later.
Screw over devlopers by making so many differant 360s, do the develop for the hdmi 120gig hdd or the Core?


Your points are so ridiculously false/fanboyish/lateral that it's not even funny to debunk them...

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I love all these people who think the PS3 is just "warming up", its already hit its peak and already reached the threshold of what graphics it can handle without framerate drops and has proven time and time again that it can't live up to the hype. The PS3 will be lucky to sell as much as it did last christmass as this upcomming holiday season. You can claim all you want that fans will come around to it sooner or later, but which each anticipated game turning out to be a relative dissapointment and Blu-Ray slow to take off I think prospective buyers are finally starting to realize that if things haven't turned around by now that they probably never will.



Gballzack said:
I love all these people who think the PS3 is just "warming up", its already hit its peak and already reached the threshold of what graphics it can handle without framerate drops and has proven time and time again that it can't live up to the hype. The PS3 will be lucky to sell as much as it did last christmass as this upcomming holiday season. You can claim all you want that fans will come around to it sooner or later, but which each anticipated game turning out to be a relative dissapointment and Blu-Ray slow to take off I think prospective buyers are finally starting to realize that if things haven't turned around by now that they probably never will.

Yeah I remember in 96 and 97, alot of Nintendo fans hoped that maybe the PS1 was just a fad or whatever, and Nintendo would reign supreme in a year or so. It never happened. But how could a company stop leading after 10 years? How could Nintendo, the leading game company since 1984 not be the leader, 12 years later? It just happens. Some consoles just don't lead. Sometimes gaming companies just stop being the leader, for whatever reason.



that's very true, Nintendo started telling the gamer what they wanted instead of trying to expand their market, that's why they failed, and that's why Sony is failing now.



Gballzack said:
that's very true, Nintendo started telling the gamer what they wanted instead of trying to expand their market, that's why they failed, and that's why Sony is failing now.

That pretty much sums of my opinion of why Nintendo failed then and why Sony is failing now. Sony succeeded with the PS1 by providing a system that was cheap and easy to develop for at a reasonable price. The PS3 has none of those qualities.



Normally, when you try to force-feed gamers, phail is the word to look. At least sony can hope to the blue-ray aspect of sales,  but they still are in embryotic stage. Can anyone provide a list with blue-ray films releases? I can find only Casino Royal in my country. 



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