You know ps2 games already contained achievements not all of them. BUt Jak and Daxter for example, kinda like achievements.

In the run up to gtaiv, alot of people were saying how superior the ps3 version was over the 360. Still alot of people still said they would rather earn achievments while playing the game.

I still think achievments are the main innovation this gen, if they weren't then why is Sony implementing trophies? 

 Right.  Tilt Sensing was a DS thing.

LOL ok sorry about that, I thought you were trying to directly flame Sony, I've seen literally like 15 of these things on this semi-smaller community. I don't mean any offense to you, and I definitely jumped the gun :D My bad ^^;

DVD is a format, but at the same time the bump in space was the big difference between the quality of Dreamcast games and PS2 games. Obviously better hardware was a major factor, but the format still plays a part in the overall quality of not only the games but the system itself. The fact that the PS2 could play them was a major factor for me when purchasing my PS2.

Like I mentioned, revitalizing and standardizing is the same as innovating to me, I did NOT like the rumble on the N64, and the dual analog was added, which makes a WORLD of difference in video games, in fact, video games would not be where they are today without the help of dual analog. Think of how many games you've played that use 2 analog sticks, and that's all because Sony standardized it. Besides, I don't think it was Nintendo that originally made the concept of an analog stick :P They just made it better than the previous user, and Sony in turn took it, and made it better than that of Nintendo. When people talk endlessly about basketball, do they ever give the creators the credit? Hardly, people remember the players, and the ones that make the sport what it is today. And for that, we all owe Sony just as much if not more than Nintendo.

Actually Nintendo DID invent the D-Pad. There was something similar to the D-pad out before Nintendo made it on the Coleco Vision and the Intellevision, however those were disk pads, and they sucked royally.

Nintendo inovated and made a beter design using the 4 direction "pad" which made controlling much easier.  There was like one attempt at a D-pad before it... maybe and it sucked.

 to get the people who apparently can't enjoy a game for what its worth and has to be rewarded to play the game to buy a PS3. The PS3 has sold over 2/3 of the 360 overall sales without trophies. I'm going to say the PS3 really doesn't need them as the only reason people by the console.

@ssj12

"Ya, and Nintendo copied off of Atari's motion sensing controlers and the PowerGlove."

His point wasn't that Nintendo created motion sensing, even though powerglove was on NES though not built by Nintendo. It was that Nintendo innovated it for what a awesome controller it is now and Sony copied that idea in a much smaller and older form.

"Sega had online way before M$. And Sony also did before M$."

True Sega and Sony technically had online capabilities prior to xbox's release. However, MS are the real innovators here sense nothing then or now really compares to Live. The new PSN and Home will be the first real attempt by anyone to truly match or exceed what MS has done and obviously they exist because of Live.

"Rumble Pack = trash and everyone knows it was..."

This is so wrong on so many points. Sony's, i.e. Immerson's tech, was overall better implemented than the rumble pack, but Nintendo clearly had the original vision.

"...analog sticks was created in arcades, and the D-Pad has been around longer then the NES was."

Again, true, yet still areas where Nintendo really proved their usefulness and again made gaming industry standards.

Either way his main point still stands. Sony hasn't really innovated anything in gaming. They have improved in minor ways to some existing designs. But, many of those improvements are based on personal views.

I for one like Nintendo's single analog approach in all of its controllers far more than the dual analog.

I liked carts much better than discs. I really hope flash media is advanced and cheap enough next gen to make the switch back.

I think it should be noted that ARCADE sticks are(or at the very least, were) entirely different than ANALOG sticks.

Arcades may have had a stick that you used to control direction, but those sticks didn't offer varying degrees of direction. Essentially all they did was tack a stick onto a Dpad method of input. There was even an add on for the original gameboy (looked freaking awesome, even if it was bulky as hell) that included a joystick that fit over the Dpad so it was like using a joystick.