Blaming Nintendo for the quality of 3rd party releases is beyond ludicrous.

It is not only in their best interests to release the best titles on their own platform, it's virtually an imperative as that has been the standard for Nintendo consoles since the 5th generation of consoles.

But as for expecting the major 3rd party developers to suddenly have an epiphany and put all their 1st string development teams on Wii projects, that's very unrealistic.

The primary benefit for developing on the Wii is reduced overhead costs and faster turnaround time. Add the allure of a larger built in user base, and any developer that does not publish on the Wii stands to lose a lot of potential sales, assuming said developer designs games suitable for the Wii market.

The 3rd party games will improve over time; it's a given. Specifically Wii coded middleware should help accelerate that although expecting one engine on the strength of one tech demo to suddenly make the Wii the 3rd party platform of choice is also unrealistic.

I don't think anyone is blaming you, though your first post was a bit antagonistic. It's ok to feel that way, and I think a great multitude of gamers have felt this way since the N64. I think a big part of the problem is that Nintendo does things differently. It is their mission to always provide the best games for the system they produce. They are the first party kings and it can be hard for third parties to compete with that. The Wii is Nintendo's first chance since the SNES to rope in a ton of 3rd party support because of their huge install base. It's not going to happen immediately so we'll have to be patient, but in a couple of years I think you'll feel just fine.

 I don't blame Nintendo for it. What I'm trying to say is.. if you are whinning about the current situation, get PS360, because the situation is not going to change, it's been happening for YEARS on DS, and now it's on the Wii.

Having said that, I do think Nintendo has certain responsibility to protect their owner. Considering most of them are casual fans who don't use video game reviews to have an idea about the games they are about to buy. Nintendo had the kind of "seal of approval" in place before. By removing that, they are almost asking for crappy games to come on. 

 You raise an excellent point that Nintendo's games sell disproportionately well on their systems. However, I think thats less important than you might think. First, as GlingGling pointed out, Nintendo has undisputedly taken the lead when it comes to putting efforts into their Wii games. This is not to say that third parties aren't trying, but as I've bored people to tears with by saying before, third party efforts on the Wii are generally not as strong as they are on the 360 and PS3. (I'll spare you the lecture; I'm sure you can find it on this site if you *really* want to.) Since Nintendo has put the most in, isn't it logical that they should take the most out?

I also submit that third parties actually shouldn't care as much about their total share of the Wii market as they should about their individual financial successes and failures. By this, I mean that they shouldn't bother comparing their sales to that of Nintendo. Instead, they should ask themselves if developing and publishing Wii games is the most efficient way to maximize profits. If I was in their shoes, I would care more about the fact that publishing Wii game has launched many third party profits through the roof than about the fact that Nintendo's profits have been even more stellar.

That said, I would try to understand how Nintendo got to be in the position it is today. I'm sure by now you've read at least some of Sean Malstrom's articles. If not, I highly encourage you to read them, as they're generally the most insightful analysis of what's currently happening that I've ever seen. As he points out, Nintendo's new "casual" franchises are making them a mint, but their long-term effect of creating new gamers has led to their core franchises realizing greater profits than ever before. See the sales of Mario Kart DS, New Super Mario Brothers, and many more of their DS sequels, and compare them to the sales of their predecessors; you'll quickly see exactly what he means. So at this point, comparing third party sales to Nintendo's is akin to asking who's "winning" in a game where one side is playing checkers, and the other is playing chess.

On an unrelated note, do I write too much? Would you guys prefer that I be less verbose? I feel bad when I see that my posts take up half the page, while the rest of you guys make your points much more quickly. 

I dont know, but people still whine about 3rd party. Theres some now, not the whopping lot you want. But after this years E3 i see a lot of developers announcing games.
Wii was a test for developers. If sales were good then games would be made. Turned out Wii is the fastest selling console of all time, so saying no more games are coming to Wii is a crazy statement.

 Cool chart .... do you have it for the PS360 to ? It would be nice to compare them :)

RolStoppable said: noname2200 said: On an unrelated note, do I write too much? Would you guys prefer that I be less verbose? I feel bad when I see that my posts take up half the page, while the rest of you guys make your points much more quickly. No, you don't write too much. As long as the content is good (which it is in your posts) it doesn't really matter how long posts are. Some of us may just get across our points more quickly because we already typed them so often before on this forum.

Thank you. But I have to admit that the second sentence sounds rather depressing...

@ huneter_alien: The charts are from Nintendo's report to their investors, so we don't have any for Microsoft or Sony yet. With any luck, they'll release their own lists soon. Although I believe that Sony's fiscal year is on a different cycle than Nintendo's and Microsoft's, so the data won't completely overlap.

Thanks, I neaded that info!

Rygar: The Battle of Argus, Fatal Frame 4, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Fragile and Conduit is some games that I'm interested in plus Ultimate Alliance 2 and probably other games. And a new Kid Icarus would be great if it is in the making and I know when these games has come out, others will follow. But I'm still worried about the future (but still hopeful) and I don't want to wait for games I want to play until next year before they reach Europe, like it is sometimes.

My girlfriend is playing more with the Wii then I do for the moment, but I like to watch her play Twilight Princess, Galaxy and Zack & Wiki. We both will play Wii Fit and there is still some descent games out that I might buy to have som fun in the summer, but nothing my soul is screming after.

 I haven't found anyone that complains about the Nintendo DS library, it is stacked high with great games, as it should it has a 70mil install base.

The Nintendo Seal of Quality, was primarily a marketing gimmick, and in my memory given out mostly to 2nd parties and high profile third parties (Squaresoft). My argument for it's dissappearence is that it's not necessary at this point. I've heard that getting game published on the N64 and GameCube was restrictive. Nintendo is dealing with two high install base consoles at the moment. They have essentially opened the floodgates to developers to do what they please. This has some undesirable side effects such as a mountain of shovelware (like you said kingofwale they are essentially asking for crappy games). Though atop that mountain is a snowy peak of great games. As the mountain grows so does the peak. Like I posted previously, patience is necessary, but there will be no lack of great 3rd party games in years to come.