I don't know why people are all shocked about the type of third party support Wii is getting.

Let me put this into terms people can see better.

Nintendo committed themselves with going casual, DS was a huge success, Casual games are what sells DS. With 80% garbage games, there are still gems there.

Wii is the console version of DS, it's a huge success in home console, you will get 80% of garbages games, with gems there as well.


THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed, don't like it? Get PS360. If you do, Good for you, you should be very happy.

kingofwale said: I don't know why people are all shocked about the type of third party support Wii is getting. Let me put this into terms people can see better. Nintendo committed themselves with going casual, DS was a huge success, Casual games are what sells DS. With 80% garbage games, there are still gems there. Wii is the console version of DS, it's a huge success in home console, you will get 80% of garbages games, with gems there as well. THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed, don't like it? Get PS360. If you do, Good for you, you should be very happy.

 I really need to hear what your definition of "casual" is. No, I mean really. Because I think you're using it a way that the rest of us are not. Let's examine Nintendo's line-up on the Wii so far, shall we?

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=Wii&publisher=Nintendo&genre=&keyword=&order=Hits

We have Everyone General Knowledge T.V., Wii Chess, Mario Party 8, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario and Sonic, aaaand maybe Wario Ware, although seeing as how that was a massive hit on the Game Boy, which according to you is before Nintendo "commited themselves with going casual", it probably shouldn't count. That's seven of the 29 titles they've released so far on the system. I'll repeat. Seven of their twenty-nine games are casual. So right off the bat, you're wrong.

But you didn't stop there, so I suppose we shouldn't either. Because you then implied that Nintendo's "casual" direction is somehow responsible for their *ahem* "poor" third party support. At least I assume that's what you meant, as that is what this thread is nominally about, and any other implication would be off-topic at best, and trolling at worst. But we all know you wouldn't do either of those things, so I'll assume I'm right. If I am, then I'm failing to see any connection whatsoever between Nintendo's casual focus, and the alleged dearth of third party support.

In fact, I would argue that if Nintendo *had* confined itself to the casual niche, it would open up massive opportunities for third parties to exploit, as demand for other genres continues to exist on the system (witness High Voltage for the most recent example).  After all, Nintendo fanboys buy only the games Nintendo makes in the genre, right? So if they had abandoned, say, platformers, by going casual, then I know I can release platformers without fear of having to compete. If I was a third party, Nintendo's going "casual" would be like the guards leaving a loaded armored car abandoned. It'd be like free money! Since your two points are rather contradictory, I would like for you to please spell out where I misunderstood you. And I offer my apologies in advance for not getting your point right the first time.

 

RolStoppable said: kingofwale said: I don't know why people are all shocked about the type of third party support Wii is getting. Let me put this into terms people can see better. Nintendo committed themselves with going casual, DS was a huge success, Casual games are what sells DS. With 80% garbage games, there are still gems there. Wii is the console version of DS, it's a huge success in home console, you will get 80% of garbages games, with gems there as well. THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed, don't like it? Get PS360. If you do, Good for you, you should be very happy. You really no nothing about Nintendo, so why do you even post here? Are you insecure? Do you have lost faith in the PS3 and its future?

 

If you have anything constructive to say, or anything outside of petty personal insults, I'll be more than happy to respond to them.

 

@noname, Read my post. In fact. I shall bold it for you. Nintendo produces quality mixtures of hardcore and casual games for Wii...they also do the same for DS, it was THIRD-PARTY games I was refering to.

leo-j said: The wii needs more story driven games, for the hardcore.

True. And that with graphics that looks like at least high level PS2 graphics.

kingofwale said: RolStoppable said: kingofwale said: I don't know why people are all shocked about the type of third party support Wii is getting. Let me put this into terms people can see better. Nintendo committed themselves with going casual, DS was a huge success, Casual games are what sells DS. With 80% garbage games, there are still gems there. Wii is the console version of DS, it's a huge success in home console, you will get 80% of garbages games, with gems there as well. THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed, don't like it? Get PS360. If you do, Good for you, you should be very happy. You really no nothing about Nintendo, so why do you even post here? Are you insecure? Do you have lost faith in the PS3 and its future?   If you have anything constructive to say, or anything outside of petty personal insults, I'll be more than happy to respond to them.   @noname, Read my post. In fact. I shall bold it for you. Nintendo produces quality mixtures of hardcore and casual games for Wii...they also do the same for DS, it was THIRD-PARTY games I was refering to.

Thank you for the response. I would, however, like to point out that after that line, you never again refer to third parties. You do mention Nintendo in a manner which makes it the subject of the rest of your post. In fact, your precise words are "Nintendo committed themselves with going casual", and further emphasize the point by saying "THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed." I recommend editing the grammatical structure of your original post in such a way that this confusion is avoided in the future, perhaps by replacing the "Nintendo"s of your post with "third parties", and then citing some examples to support your thesis. Thank you in advance.

 

noname2200 said: kingofwale said: RolStoppable said: kingofwale said: I don't know why people are all shocked about the type of third party support Wii is getting. Let me put this into terms people can see better. Nintendo committed themselves with going casual, DS was a huge success, Casual games are what sells DS. With 80% garbage games, there are still gems there. Wii is the console version of DS, it's a huge success in home console, you will get 80% of garbages games, with gems there as well. THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed, don't like it? Get PS360. If you do, Good for you, you should be very happy. You really no nothing about Nintendo, so why do you even post here? Are you insecure? Do you have lost faith in the PS3 and its future?   If you have anything constructive to say, or anything outside of petty personal insults, I'll be more than happy to respond to them.   @noname, Read my post. In fact. I shall bold it for you. Nintendo produces quality mixtures of hardcore and casual games for Wii...they also do the same for DS, it was THIRD-PARTY games I was refering to. Thank you for the response. I would, however, like to point out that after that line, you never again refer to third parties. You do mention Nintendo in a manner which makes it the subject of the rest of your post. In fact, your precise words are "Nintendo committed themselves with going casual", and further emphasize the point by saying "THIS is where Nintendo's business is headed." I recommend editing the grammatical structure of your original post in such a way that this confusion is avoided in the future, perhaps by replacing the "Nintendo"s of your post with "third parties", and then citing some examples to support your thesis. Thank you in advance.

well, now you know.

and next time I take English and needed to be politically, grammatically correct, I will let you know.

After all, we all know an Internet forum about video games is where to start writing perfect English. 

Words Of Wisdom said: Phoenix_Wiight said: I'm a long time Nintendo fan, and Wii lover (haha,) but latley its been bugging me about Nintendo's third party support. Yes, we can all look at charts and say "Oh, Nintendo has great third party support," but we're just lying to ourselves. 90% of games on Nintendo consoles that are big sellers are Nintendo games. We have slight help from Capcom and what not, but we need more. Nintendo needs to grab in more kinds of gamers, and the first step is to get current-gen graphics. What are your thoughts?       Now, if you're done talking out of your arse I'm going to move on to a useful topic.

And if you take away the most casual games? I dont mind the existence of casual games, but I like many others wants more story driven games, hardcore games. Things like that is on it's way, but we don't know how much or how it will sell.

But you are still totally right.

Tuulikk said: Words Of Wisdom said: Phoenix_Wiight said: And if you take away the most casual games? I dont mind the existence of casual games, but I like many others wants more story driven games, hardcore games. Things like that is on it's way, but we don't know how much or how it will sell. But you are still totally right.

 The answer to your question depends entirely on what you mean as "casual games." If you mean mini-game fests, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc., then I believe that the ratio actually skews further towards the third party's side of things, seeing as how Wii Play and Wii Sports are some of the biggest sellers ever. As an added bonus, you'll be taking away Brain Age, Mario Party 8, and Wario Ware (mini-game). Total losses: roughly 43 million.

On the third party side, the big hitters that would vanish are the two Raving Rabbids games, Carnival Games, Cooking Mama, Smarty Pants, and Mario and Sonic. Total Losses: about 9.5 million. Conclusion: removing the casual games favors the third parties even more.

And sorry to hear that you haven't been getting as much out of your Wii as you wanted. But like you said, stuff is on its way. Until then, try to remember the Great Drought of the Past Twelve Years. If you can weather that, there's nothing that can stop you!

kingofwale said: noname2200 said: kingofwale said: RolStoppable said: kingofwale said: and next time I take English and needed to be politically, grammatically correct, I will let you know. After all, we all know an Internet forum about video games is where to start writing perfect English.

 Oh, I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree. I would say that if it's your native language, you should be writing perfectly understandable English before you post on an Internet forum. Otherwise, you're liable to be misinterpreted by others, and we wouldn't want that.

i think the graph proves u wrong